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Schiavo rumblings
DrewKaree:
WOW! MrC, you never cease to amaze!
We get a link from you:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 20, 2005, 12:32:12 pm ---Where were thay for the past 15 years? Why jump in *now* at the last minute? Here's why:
"ABC News has obtained talking points circulated among Republican senators explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them: "This is an important moral issue and the pro-life base will be excited..." and "This is a great political issue... this is a tough issue for Democrats." (via ABCnews)
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And you provide more links:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 22, 2005, 02:45:56 pm ---Read the despicable Talking Points. How many Right Wing ditto-heads have parroted these exact words over the past 7 days? Why? Because, just like you, they care more about their party than they care about people.
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They go on to throw more against the wall to see what sticks
"EXCLUSIVE: GOP's Schiavo Talking Points Revealed In Full
Here are the GOP's talking points on Schiavo that garnered so much attention over the weekend. Rumor has it that Rick Santorum's office wrote these talking points - blah blah blah"
which of course, you "worked your ass off" to make ensure you weren't offering yet another Rather-ism.
Since we're dealing in rumor, I'll give you my own rumor mill. When it comes to memos, it's a wonder you ever report on them anymore. This one seems to be headed the way of CBS: GOP memo questioned
You've spoken of
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 21, 2005, 05:52:43 pm --- This is a Republican thing. The bill that Bush signed, in the middle of the night after flying BACK to the WH for the sideshow, passed congress with a voice vote - ONLY THREE Republican senators were present.
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ignoring the fact that 47 Dems voted with the "rethugs" in the House (btw, what do you label the "idiots" who vote with those "rethugs"?) and that a voice vote was done in the Senate, which got this bill passed sometime around MIDNIGHT-ish, and that this was done because they were...stay with me here....trying to get this voted on as quickly as possible to have it signed into law if it passed.
You've tried to equate Terri Schiavo's case to Bush's carrying out of the law in Texas, and with the war on terror.
You make some silly point to Dartful while doing exactly that which you carp about - to the parents, the people who might disagree with your point of view, Bush
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 23, 2005, 02:19:51 pm ---Who the hell gave you the right to judge him, or *anybody* for that matter? Isn't that supposed to be against your religion?
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....I know I'm missing someone, but I can't keep track of all the people you yourself judge....well, other than yourself, that is.
Your links are often so suspect, it's about the only reason people have for going to them - to see just what you've chosen to ignore in your very own defense of positions! What's amazing to me is that fredster didn't see your link, and you can't for the life of you figure out why anyone would question you, after all you laid it out pretty clearly:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 23, 2005, 10:39:59 pm ---
Where do I get these things? I do my research. A lot. It's a pain in the @ss, but I argue with integrity at stake.
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Arguing with integrity at stake? It sounds as if you think anyone questioning you to be out to get you. It sounds more like sanctimony that you argue under, your very survival at stake. I hope you're done with your living will - the Religious Right appreciate you complying with their ultimate goal! GOTCHA! ;D
And to think, all they had to do to get you to bend to their will was to make you think it was to save yourself from the dreaded "THEM". a-BOO! ;D
Now to work on making you vote conservative in '08....lemme get "the machine" to work on this, toot-sweet.
fredster:
MrC,
It's obvious that the woman had severe brain damage. It's obvious to most of us who aren't her loved ones that she is a total invalid. That's obvious. Most of us here are horrified at the prospect of being kept alive in such a state.
(btw, I respect your research, always have.)
That's not the issue at all is it? The issue is did she want this or No? The Husband and his sister in law and Brother
The republican "thugs" are framing this as a civil rights issue. They are doing the political thing like they always do. They are representing their base, that's what they are supposed to do isn't it? For some reason, doing what they do keeps winning elections for them.
--- Quote ---Jeb Bush wants to be her guardian, yet George Bush signed that law in Texas.
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Mr C, research me this, was that bill amended in 2003 to include a medical "tribunal" that makes the final decision? (well after Bush was governor) The law you pointed out didn't really seem to me to indicate the family could be superceeded. But I'm not a lawyer.
I can see that you don't agree with anything the republicans do. I love your research, but I have to quote one of the many Dilbert Principals -
"People make up thier minds first, then find information to support it later."
I firmly believe that. I try not to do that, but I slip too.
--- Quote ---They go on to throw more against the wall to see what sticks
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Good one Drew. That's what is happening here.
Zero_hour, you said that this was distrubing -
--- Quote ---Within the testimony, as part of the hypotheticals presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.
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Can you imagine how the Husband's lawyer tried to break them down? He asked them "what if her arms need to be removed" "What if she was covered in boils" OMG. They had to hold the extreme to be faithful to the point. It's distrubing, but not surprising.
The reason this is getting the support is all the unanswered questions. There were people in support of Terri that said she did move around. Other doctors didn't describe her condition as a persistant vegative state.
Here in TN a man had a good fraction of his brain abruptly removed by a propeller from an aircraft. Not only did he survive, he became an artist. He lost some functions, but not all. They removed a good section of a young girl's brain for damage done by menigitis and expected her to survive.
(I won't go into the obvious jokes about women not needing 1/2, but it's hard for me..)
And there are lots of stories about people who recover from what doctors call a hopeless case. Look at this story - http://susanedsall.com/
This man recovered after doctors wrote him off completely. He was able to not only recover, but to recover 97% and actually fly planes.
This is why the people support the parents. They want to hold onto hope as long as they can. There is no hope if Terri is dead.
At least that's what we are lead to believe from the Parents.
GGKoul:
Fredster, it's been 15 years and for the first 8 years they appear to have tried everything to get Terri better and have spent the past 7 years fighting this issue in court.
With the amount of media attention this is getting, I assume if there was any hope for her to get better. Someone out there would have stepped forward to say I can help or this is what I could do to get her better.
I wonder what would happen if the millionaire offered the parents 5 million to walk away?
fredster:
This would be over. That's what would happen.
Then we wait for the movie of the week.
Brain cells can be regenerated, the technology is new. There are many examples of it. Things like this fuel hope for people like Terri. http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3107692
Zero_Hour:
I understand why people have hope, why they support the parents . I have no problem with any of that. What I do have a problem with is that this case has had it day in court. It made it through the entire appeals process. Now the losing side wants the rules changed in their favor - no wait - they have had the rules changed in their favor. After all of it is said and done what will we have?
Terri Schiavo will be dead.
The Husband and Family will have to go about trying to find some sort of normalcy to their lives - something I don't envy them at all.
The folks who have kept vigil outside the hospice, or been arrested protesting will find another cause.
The courts will overturn the law as unconstitutional.
Our congressmen will oversimplify the entire episode and use it in future campaign speeches. Plus they will be able to yell "activist judges" and stir people up as they are wont to do.
The media will find someone elses life to insert themselves into and speak as if they have insight, which they almost universally do not.
And me? I'll probably be playing video games.