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shmokes:
So let me get this straigtht. He deliberately injured his wife in the hopes that Doctors would screw up, in hopes that he would win a million dollar malpractice suit. Oh yeah....I almost forgot to mention that he was hoping to meet a new girlfriend a few years down the road. I gotta admit, there's some pretty hardcore motive going on there. Then, when offered $5 million to walk away from it, he turns down the money because he doesn't want people to think he's slimy? C'mon Drew....step back and look at what you're saying. You think he's capable of murdering his wife, but too worried about what the neighbors might think to accept 5 or 10 million dollars? You think he's willing to go through a 7 year court battle and the microscopic scrutiy of the public eye to pull the plug on a lady he doesn't care about all so the scumbag can gain access to the measly amount of money left in the trust fund, when he could just walk away with millions?
The state will order an autopsy if there is any evidence of foul play (unfortunately Drew's distrust will probably not be enough to force the autopsy).
And the cremation thing casting a shadow of foul-play is absurd. I'm going to be cremated. It's EXTREMELY common. What's he supposed to do? Should he say, "Well....we were going to be cremated, but there are all those people like Drew at BYOAC who are worried about that precluding the possibility of her body being exumed some time in the future for an autopsy. Maybe I should accomodate their wishes too..."?
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on March 22, 2005, 08:55:08 pm ---What if she's 7 days away from waking up and making a complete recovery, but instead she starves to death in 6?
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What if the winning McDonalds Monopoly Sweepstakes gamepiece is at my local McDonalds? Perhaps I should start spending my entire sallary at McDonalds every time that sweepstakes comes around.
Or perhaps you should take a little trip back to the land of reality. She's never waking up. Her brain is mush. The only person capable of fixing Teri is god, and she's made it pretty clear that she's standing this one out.
DrewKaree:
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--- Quote from: DrewKaree on March 22, 2005, 08:58:04 pm ---Mr Schiavo didn't recollect Terri's wishes to not live her life in this state until several years later, and specifically, didn't recall them until after the malpractice settlement.
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Now that's the first thing someone's said that would give me pause. Do you have a reference? I have not seen that.
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From 2003, when it was first brought up
From 2004, down under Questionable Circumstances
More recent, but further from the case
"But since 1998 Schiavo has insisted that his wife, whom he refuses to divorce, told him before her collapse that she would never want to live "by artificial means." This has been going on for almost 15 years. That would put the start of her condition at '90-'91-ish. Her malpractice suit was settled around '92, and in '93-ish is when the trouble started.
The 2nd article refers to the physicians and caregivers speaking of the possibilities for improvement with her through therapy, including the swallowing therapy. The swallowing reflex is lost by more people than you'd think, and therapy exists to retrain the body in a short enough time (less than a dozen treatments) that this could easily have been done, but was disallowed.
--- Quote ---got to this state through what he claimed, or if foul play were involved. This isn't just a case of family and friends who believe this might be the case, there have been doctors who have examined her and do not believe her symptoms and injuries to be consistent with the story Schiavo tells.
--- Quote ---I hadn't seen any info about doctors believing this either, and would be interested in seeing them. I did read this page which brought up the questions, but I'd sure like to see something more "newsworthy" on it such as police reports, court reports, or doctor reports.
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Dr Hammasfahr, who was also allowed access to her medical records, speaking on the case.
One of a series of reports they've done
Another regarding the hearings on this
Interestingly, in the above link, it speaks of another thing to consider:
--- Quote ---Fidelity is a key component of the respect and dignity that our society expects one spouse to afford the other; yet, this guardian believes that Terri
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DrewKaree:
Evidently Dr. Hammesfahr was asked by the Second District Court Of Appeals to give her a basic examination in reporting on her condition.
Take this for what it's worth. It's from the site promoting the fight to keep her alive, however, it's not in dispute that he was able to see all of her medical records. I'm simply saying I don't know if all that's there is verifiable.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: shmokes on March 22, 2005, 11:52:49 pm ---
So let me get this straigtht. He deliberately injured his wife in the hopes that Doctors would screw up, in hopes that he would win a million dollar malpractice suit. Oh yeah....I almost forgot to mention that he was hoping to meet a new girlfriend a few years down the road. I gotta admit, there's some pretty hardcore motive going on there.
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You'll have to point to where I stated this, as I believe you to be walking on your hands again.
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Then, when offered $5 million to walk away from it, he turns down the money because he doesn't want people to think he's slimy?
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No, I believe he won't accept the money because the condition in each offer to him has been that he give the parents control of her treatment (guardianship) and/or divorce her, thereby returning control to the parents. I believe he's got to go through with making it appear that he's in this for her best interests, and is willing to settle for what's left, or willing to settle for having this end for him with her death, since this more than likely will fade away after that. To accept the money would demonstrate that he WAS in this for the money, and I think he's realized he's in it too far to back out in that fashion now, and would open him up to legal action that not only could cost him dearly, but could land him in jail.
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You think he's capable of murdering his wife
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If you're intimating some other situation you percieved me to have said, again, you'll have to point it out.
If you are referring to his removal of her feeding tube as murder, I view it as potentially murder by proxy.
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You think he's willing to go through a 7 year court battle and the microscopic scrutiy of the public eye to pull the plug on a lady he doesn't care about all so the scumbag can gain access to the measly amount of money left in the trust fund, when he could just walk away with millions?
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Answered. See above.
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The state will order an autopsy if there is any evidence of foul play (unfortunately Drew's distrust will probably not be enough to force the autopsy).
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There are medical records which bring up the question. If they don't perform an autopsy, fine. Enough other questions arise in this case to call into question his motives and bring legislative action due to these. Is there some undue discomfort that will befall her by doing one?
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And the cremation thing casting a shadow of foul-play is absurd. I'm going to be cremated. It's EXTREMELY common.
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The only reason it's been brought up is to put to rest questions unanswered. Nowhere have I said it's NOT common, I bring it up to point out that any of these charges of potential abuse will be null and void after cremation. It's yet another thing the families disagree about, as well.
Your charges of absurdity are based on your opinions of this case. You've brought up the "ghoulishness" of your view, disregarding anyone else's opinion that might differ due to their wishes. Are you dropping a #3 next?
This is a personal issue for many, and you seem content to pass judgement on the absurdity of this based on your own personal opinion. Are you wishing to cram your views down everyone else's throat, or have you decided to take some of fredster's tactics and co-opt them for yourself?