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Flinkly:
if i read the post right, you just get a williams 49 way joystick and remove the spider on the bottom.  other than that, he just renewed his joystick with a little TLC.  i'm sure you could do more to make itmore like a joystick, like attach a restrictor plate to the bottom that kept the joystick to the outer area...but you'd have to make that yourself. 

maybe we should talk to 1up about this since he's diving into custom joystick parts for games without controllers, or cheap ones.
Lilwolf:
As someone with a real 720 controller.

One of the items that makes it "real" is the disk that only allows it to be pointing at an edge.   

I always thought that an analog controller hacked with a ball top and the proper disk would be the closest.  But if the controls in the 49 way are close enough..  It might make for a great 720 at hock because of the high pivot point. 

I would have tried it... but my stick just got sent out for 1nspection
Flinkly:
well what i was thinking of was to put a thick plastic disk on the bottom of a sinistar stick without the spyder.  you'd have to make a crazy connector though since you'd have to come down below the stick and then back up, but you shouldn't have to go too much further than the original joystick depth since the joystick is at it's extreme angle, thus making it a bit shorter on bottom.  i'd use thick plastic too since you wouldn't want to tear up your joystick shaft on a metal plate from all those circular motions.

dangit, now i've got to get another williams 49-way.  and to think i was going to sell one of mine (i've got three now).
Kremmit:
Sorry I haven't gotten back to this sooner.  Real Lifetm, you know.


--- Quote ---Posted by: Flinkly      Posted on: March 31, 2005, 03:25:54 PM
i guess the part i want to make sure about is the gas soaking and the lubing.  did the gas do well and did you wash it up afterwards to rid it of smell?  and is that grease the best kind to use in a situation like this?

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Gas does fine, so would the Alcohol No_One=NBA mentioned, or turpentine, or paint thinner.  Whatever solvent you have will be fine, it's not like it's going to eat the metal or anything.  I used gas because there was a gas can sitting right there, and I'd have had to go to the store for anything else.  Btu gas is really kind of bad for you, I'll probably grow a tumor or something now.  Definately wash up after using gas.  I like the lithium grease, especially on plastic parts, but anything thick enough to be "grease" instead of "oil" would probably do the job.


--- Quote ---Posted by: Will      Posted on: March 31, 2005, 04:35:54 PM

Since Im kind of a newb when It come to altering joysticks could you please provide a step by step pictured tutorial if possible.
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I'm going to do the other stick soon, when I do, I'll take some pictures.


--- Quote ---Posted by: Lilwolf      Posted on: Yesterday at 11:37:14 AM

As someone with a real 720 controller.

One of the items that makes it "real" is the disk that only allows it to be pointing at an edge.   

I always thought that an analog controller hacked with a ball top and the proper disk would be the closest.  But if the controls in the 49 way are close enough..  It might make for a great 720 at hock because of the high pivot point.
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Agreed, actual physical restriction to keep the stick at the outside edge would be best.  I've been working on the easiest way to do this- if I ever get around to it, I'll post that as well.  But like you said, that high ball pivot  helps- the stick seems to want to stay to the outside of it's own accord. 

An analog stick might be a little more accurate, but I dunnoif it would ever matter in real game play- If my info is correct, the skater in 720 only points 16 directions anyway- a 49-way in raw49 mode points 24 different directions, more than enough.  True, this means that some directions are weighted a little heavier than others, but does that really matter in this game?  One spin of the stick still equals one rotation of the skater, so the spin tricks will still work the same.  And when you're skating in a specific direction, how much difference does it make to your hand when you're talking about fractions of 1/16th of a circle?

I'm not saying it's an absoultely perfect replacement for a real 720 stick, but how many of us are ever going to have one of those?
redcoats:
Well I have a real 720 machine, and if you guys need any pictures of the joystick I can take them for you. I actually have two joysticks. I bought a parted out 720.
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