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So, who's drafting a Living Will? (Find out how, inside!)
mr.Curmudgeon:
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--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 24, 2005, 12:36:47 pm ---I like the idea of pulling the plug if I fall beyond a reasonable "response threshold"..or if significant irreversible brain damage occurs.
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So, unless you're a neurologist, you're leaving those same people the decision of exactly what "response threshhold" or "significant irreversible damage" means.
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Not exactly. I, in my living will, will spell out what I determine to be an acceptable "response threshold", if I can no longer meet it, I want to die. Significant irreversible damage can be measured along very subjective lines, without involving a murky moral compass. But I think response thresholds are better since it's up to me to meet them.
--- Quote ---It's a no win situation. Someone other than you will be forced to make that decision no matter what your living will says.
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To me, the living will is the best "good faith" effort I can make to help them make that decision. To just assume that because they may have to pull your plug anyway, it's somehow worthless to provide them a standard by outlining your wishes just seems like a defeatist attitude to me.
--- Quote ---Don't think for a second that if you are a target of political opportunity that your little document will keep them off of you. They're pissing on the Constitution of the US right now, what is your living will in comparison to that?
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Yes. They are aren't "they." I'd rather have them fight a battle that included my living will, then give them carte blanche to do whatever the hell they wish.
The way you argue reminds me of a friend of mine. He often advocates doing nothing, since something will always off-set it anyhow. He doesn't do much of anything because of it. :)
mrC
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on March 24, 2005, 04:34:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 24, 2005, 12:36:47 pm ---Are you drafting a living will or not?
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Is that still the question?
I was under the impression you were now asking a different question.
I got that impression when you asked a different question.
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 24, 2005, 12:36:47 pm ---Who wants to live without memories or thought?
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As it is the title of the thread, it's always going to be the question. And being that I have no idea on how to respond to your moral-poetry type response, I deffered to the topic at hand.
Plus, I am genuinely curious as to what you think about living wills? Or what you'd want done for you if you were in a "Permanent Vegetative State" and on life support? (Please reserve the ethical debate on Schiavo's specific situation for the Schiavo Thread, I'll do the same.)
mrC
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 24, 2005, 04:54:51 pm ---(Please reserve the ethical debate on Schiavo's specific situation for the Schiavo Thread, I'll do the same.)
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Ethical debate?
moral-poetry?
My posts in this thread are devoid of such things.
There once was this nun from Nantucket...
...ooops, Sorry, my bad.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 24, 2005, 03:33:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: menace on March 24, 2005, 03:24:12 pm ---I swear you type this stuff just to get people to type back without giving it much thought to its content...
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So why were you stupid enough to do it?
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;D
I need to stop skimming through threads, I almost missed all of this.
--- Quote from: Shape D. on March 24, 2005, 03:33:03 pm ---I think hes stating that It was never our choice to be born, It was our parents. And to play devils advocate in early stages of embryonic development we do not have mental awareness.
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I made that comment in reference to the early stages of embryonic development.
Although I like the "It was never our choice to be born" angle.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 24, 2005, 04:47:19 pm ---Yes. They are aren't "they." I'd rather have them fight a battle that included my living will, then give them carte blanche to do whatever the hell they wish.
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You can "they" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that they are wrong. I have no problem with calling them on it. It's not only wrong, it's hugely wrong.