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Is China The Next Biggest Super Power
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: missioncontrol on March 24, 2005, 10:14:06 pm ---look at our homeless population
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I think Wendy's found a solution to that problem.
Crazy Cooter:
*Does a superpower need to have military stationed all over the world?
*Right now China has a greater influence on the world economy than any other country. They are on par with the entire EU.
*They have nuclear energy and weapons.
*They have like 20%? of the worlds population.
*They're working on a deal to score technologically advanced weapons that can compete with the US.
*They may be encircled with US allies, but nobody is willing to touch them.
*Sure their govmnt is stifling, but Germany came a looong way with the facist govmt they had ("superpower" wise, "morally" = a whole different topic).
*There are a bunch of "superpower" countries that don't have significant oil production.
I'd be willing to bet money that China will hook up with Iran for some oil (if they don't already get it from there).
DrewKaree:
Oh, I get it now!
No one wants to define what a "Super Power" is!
In keeping with my callous pro-American beliefs, I'm defining a super power as what America is, and everyone else sucks ;)
Go on, rain down the boos (or whistle - whoever thought THAT crap up ::) ) I can take all your abuse...after all....I'm American....I expect it ;D
shmokes:
We should just turn China into a parking lot.
APFelon:
--- Quote ---*Does a superpower need to have military stationed all over the world?
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In order to qualify as a "superpower", yes. A superpower should be able to project force anywhere in the world within a short manner of time. China does not have this ability, nor the allies.
--- Quote ---*Right now China has a greater influence on the world economy than any other country. They are on par with the entire EU.
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What numbers are you using? GNP, GDP, simple consumption by the population, exports, imports, what? If the economy collapses in China, would this cause a worldwide collapse? Is the world economy based on the Chinese Yen? (let me give you a hint: The answer is no.)
--- Quote ---*They have nuclear energy and weapons.
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So does Pakistan and North Korea.
--- Quote ---*They have like 20%? of the worlds population.
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Which is an untapped resourse. Look at my earlier Olympic anecdote.
--- Quote ---*They're working on a deal to score technologically advanced weapons that can compete with the US.
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...and this is looking less and less likely to happen. The EU is starting to wise up. This is from the Sydney Morning Herald:
--- Quote ---The "Anti-Secession Law" passed by the rubber-stamp Chinese parliament this month, designed to quelch moves towards formal independence in Taiwan, has boomeranged on Beijing.
On Saturday afternoon in Taipei, President Chen Shui-bian will orchestrate a massive protest against the law and its threat of "non-peaceful means" should Taiwan's politicians step beyond the law's ill-defined markers.
International opinion, especially in the democratic countries where Beijing needs to improve support for its Taiwan policies, has been generally critical of the law, with Dr Rice calling it "unhelpful".
Most embarrassing of all, the anti-secession law has slowed and possibly derailed the push by Germany and France to lift the European Union's arms embargo on China, imposed after the 1989 massacre around Tiananmen Square in Beijing.
The law was cited by the British Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, as a new obstacle. Britain had been supporting the lifting of the ban, but this week signalled that it wanted to postpone a decision because of US concerns.
Several other European states are also opposed - including Italy, Sweden and Belgium.
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Whoopsie daisy.
--- Quote ---*They may be encircled with US allies, but nobody is willing to touch them.
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And why not? If China becomes belligerant, you think no one will do anything about it? That explains your "invade Mexico and march north" theory. :-\
--- Quote ---*Sure their govmnt is stifling, but Germany came a looong way with the facist govmt they had ("superpower" wise, "morally" = a whole different topic).
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I would like you to make the case that the Nazi economy is similar to the Chinese economy. When the Nazis took power, Germany was in a horrible depression and nationalizing the formerly privately-owned industries simply stripped the reigns from the owners... the businesses were already set up and running before Hitler and co. took over. It would take some time before the centralization of industry would be noticable under that system. China hasn't had private business in their nation for over 60 years. It is so rigid that it's brittle.
--- Quote ---*There are a bunch of "superpower" countries that don't have significant oil production.
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Which superpower nation would that be? Go ahead and say the UK, but BP have their hands in foreign refineries all around the globe... and besides, it would hard to define the UK as a "superpower" anymore since they granted independence to most of their former colonies and commonwealths. What other country could still be considered a superpower? I'm not sure that you quite know what superpower means.
--- Quote ---I'd be willing to bet money that China will hook up with Iran for some oil (if they don't already get it from there).
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They already have an oil commitment from that whackjob that runs Venezuela. The world oil market is open to everyone, even China. My argument is that they cannot sustain a motorized workforce or army during a time of difficult economic times or international war. Not that they have somehow been frozen out of the world markets.
APf