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Is China The Next Biggest Super Power
APFelon:
--- Quote ---Watch Taiwan, there might be some offense there in the next couple years. As far as reaching US soil, all they have to do is fly to Mexico and walk right over. How many thousands of people come across each day?
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Oh, brother. I honestly hope you don't think the invasion and occupation of a neighboring nation state would result in no immediate military action by the United States and the impending invasion of the US would be left to be handled by the border patrol. Just damn.
Yes, we all know that global warfare works exactly like the boardgame RISK. Occupation of Mexico is simply a matter of flying troops over. The invasion of the United States is merely the order to invade an adjascent territory. The United States only has two territories (Eastern United States and Western United States) with maybe a stack of ten armies on them each. A few lucky rolls of the dice, and we are all doomed. ::)
--- Quote ---China already is.
Sure they didn't win WWII, but they are winning a far greater war, an economic one against the US.
The Chinese can make anything faster and cheaper then any US or G7 country can.
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I heard this about Japan in the early 1980s. This isn't a new song, it's simply "second verse, same as the first". The difference is that Japan and China have two different political and economic methods. Japan's is beneficial to business and manufacturing operations. Just recently, the Chinese government didn't like the recent (post Hong Kong reunification) non-state controlled businesses and cracked down on them, and even more recently, have been putting economic and political pressure on Hong Kong itself.
On top of that, I speculate that a government controlled industrial base would not be a resilliant as a non-government controlled industrial base. Think hydra versus snake. Chop off the head of a hydra, a few more grow back. Slice off the head of a snake, and it's a goner. Focused industrial strikes with conventional or nuclear weapons against China would be very, very effective against aggressive expansion.
Aside from that, I'm not quite sure what you meant by "China didn't win World War II". China was a defensive participant in that war and had some serious internal issues at that point. They were in no position to "win" anything. You know that the US wasn't at war with China, right? And you know that the US actually helped the Chinese repulse the Japanese invasion force with military aid, right?
Look, China does not have a worldwide military presence like the UK and the US does. Any rapid military expansion would most likely run in to severe supply and transport issues, especially of they conducted cross-ocean operations. The US, on the other hand, have well supplied military complexes in Japan, South Korea and the Philipines, military bases on numerous Pacific islands including Hawaii, not to mention our other allies in Oceania..
--- Quote ---Answer=Yes.
The sun has set on America's empire.
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And if it isn't dead yet, we need to hit it with a shovel a few times. I hope you aren't a coroner. If you are, I hope that you advise the surviving family to bury their "deceased" with a walkie-talkie so that they can call for help and be dug up.
I keep reading threads like this. Is realistic optomism out of fad this week? Seriously guys, bone up a little on history, modern warfare and geopolitical relations before you post some of this wacky stuff. I'd say 90% of threads like these are littered with "facts" pulled from thin air.
APf
Dexter:
They already are, and economically they're the biggest. It's good to be in the Euro zone having China as a major trading partner :)
Crazy Cooter:
--- Quote from: APFelon on March 23, 2005, 07:08:14 am ---Oh, brother. I honestly hope you don't think..
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It was meant as a joke. ;)
But I really think they could beat us around the globe, and then come here. Or just beat us around the globe and leave us alone at home. That would still bring them (and communism) to the top of the the charts.
fredster:
China is a huge technological force now. They are getting progressively more sophisticated. I don't know if they are the biggest Trading partner to the US, but they have to be in the top 3.
It used to be people laughed at China's products. Not anymore, they are getting very good at making high tech.
And they have a huge military force.
We aren't going to screw with China. China does what it wants. So far it has followed a pretty isolationist policy, but that may change very soon.
My bet is that if China does take action against Tawian, we aren't going to do a single thing.
Crazy Cooter:
I really hope we stay out of it. it's like if Texas decided they wanted to be communist and China backed them. If the US went in to slap around Texas, would China really want to get involved? No, we're *right there* and can swat China out.
Now taiwan is *right there* for China. They want to go democratic. If we step in, will we "win" or will we be "swatted out"? We'd take the beating unlike any other in history. It would be like marching off a cliff. I don't see any way for the US to "defend" taiwan without going into a full-scale war with China.