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Illegal Immigration
fredster:
--- Quote ---Americans want cheap electronics,clothing, etc. But guess what if you pay a decent salarie for those products then the prices of those products go up. And unfortunatly no Buy American campain i going to change that.
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Yeah, you didn't get the point. You make a good one. I understand and respect yours, but mine is this:
1) Seal the border with whatever means necessary. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Robocop, whatever.
2) Enforce the existing immigration laws and deport illegals
3) Fine and punish those who hire illegals wherever and whomever they are.
4) Open the borders to workers for a fixed time limit, controlled and legal. If they want to become citizens and they follow the rules, fine. If they break the law, toss them out like a houseguest that pees on the carpet.
If there was no labor at the price offered, then the offer has to go up doesn't it?
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 10:24:37 pm ---NAFTA and GATT are just the current agreements that are in place.
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lokki:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 22, 2005, 12:09:11 am ---Yeah, you didn't get the point. You make a good one.
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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: lokki on March 22, 2005, 10:42:18 am ---That is the tricky part if the price offered goes up then so do the prices of the goods (and/or services) that are made. And this cascades all over the place.
If instead of $5.00 an hour for a dish washer a restaurant now has to pay $10.00 (plus benefits) then who do you think will pay for this difference? Everything is conected to everything else.
lets go back to crop picking. If you have to go from $5.00 to $100 (plus benefits) for a crew to pick up crops. Then you have to sell your crops for much more than you had to before. And then the super markets. Have the choice of buying a product from you at a very high price. Or importing from some other country. at a much cheaper price. And finally for the end buyer instead of spending $2.00 a weeks now he has to pay $3.00 a week on produce.
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You don't see this happening, but you want us to boost up MEXICO'S economy? How about we take that money we would have wasted in Mexico and use it to subsidize this process? I'd be a lot more inclined to vote for that than I ever would to send a dollar to boost the economy of another country.
DrewKaree:
What would be the proper term? Hispanic, or Latin American? I ask, because "mexican" is used to refer to a TON of people, and it makes it seem like the problem is simply a problem with Mexico. Now, while the link fredster points to says that indeed that IS a majority of the problem, if you read a touch further in there, if the figures are correct, the problem is demonstrated to be 81% of the illegal - that's illegal, against the law, for those of you following along at home - immigration problem is......and that's where my question comes in.
Is the problem 81% Latin American, or 81% Hispanic?
I know the ACTUAL problem is the hiring of illegal immigrants, but that's not what I'm asking.
Oh, and for the record, the white illegal immigrants are out there, although clearly demonstrated to be in the minority. Of the white illegal immigrants that I've run across (about 2 dozen), they have been from Czechoslovakia (about 3/4ths) and Serbia (the rest).
Chad is correct, when the government decides to do something about it is when the problem will subside. I called the INS to report the guy I hired, and told them I would keep him employed for the next day, two days, or week until they could send someone to investigate. I also told them he had been caught by one of my shift managers taking the photos of folks for illegal ID's and also selling that ID the next day - odd reasoning by the guy when confronted, but the response was anything BUT thankful. I had to go through MANY hoops on MY END :o for them to even consider sending someone out, otherwise I could fax them the paperwork and they'd investigate that way ::)
It opened my eyes to the fact that they could care less about the problem. Until they change the wording on the I-9 form as well, employers will ALWAYS have a loophole to plead their innocence. "I certify that the documents presented to me are, to the best of my knowledge, legal and valid."
Honest, judge, the fake worker's permit looked real to me!
Lokki, not only have you seemed to try to do things the correct way, you took an active role in making sure you did them.
It's why people are so angry about the ILLEGAL immigration problem. If there are folks like you doing things properly, then we expect a MUCH larger percent of people to do so, as well. It's the criminal violation of the immigration process that has people upset, and the percieved lack of action against those who would violate our laws while benefitting from doing so.