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lokki:
--- Quote ---You don't understand this argument.
No one is going to email their lawn to China have the Chinese cut it, then email it back to them.
No one is going to order a cheese burger from a fast food place in China and wait for it to be Fed Exed to their house.
We are not talking about jobs that can be outsourced.
Illegals are here doing jobs that legals could should be doing.
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Ohhh!. You mean the high paying jobs like washing dishes, picking crops, taking care of children (nannys)?
Or you maybe you mean the contruction jobs?
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 05:51:57 pm ---The help I'm referring to is free trade.
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daywane:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 21, 2005, 02:14:14 pm ---How about a Moat?
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RacerX:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 21, 2005, 06:20:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 05:51:57 pm ---The help I'm referring to is free trade. Free exchange of goods and services.
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Free trade... of what, exactly? What does Mexico have that we want? NAFTA is a sham. It's as one sided as an agreement has ever been. NAFTA is the help you're saying we should give them. They already have it. How have they improved with our help?
You keep saying "if we make them rich they won't need to come here to work". Sure, but they should make themselves rich. It's not up to me to pay for people in Mexico. It's hard enough to pay for the Mexicans that are here illegally, now you want me to pay for the ones who weren't even THAT enterprising?
Look, I don't really have a problem with the people who come here illegally and work. They are a drain, yes, but they're doing what the system will allow to improve their lot. I can respect that. That doesn't change the fact that they ARE a drain and they should NOT be here without the proper authorizations. My biggest problem is with the government's total lack of movement on securing the borders and allowing only those immigrants who want to follow legal procedures (i.e. ask permission, knock on the door, like a proper guest).
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NAFTA and GATT are just the current agreements that are in place. They aren't perfect, no. They are just beginnings. They are just examples. They don't have to stay in place as they are forever. We should work to make them better and more effective. Just because what is in place now isn't perfect, doesn't mean the idea behind it is a bad one.
And, again, I'm not asking you to make people in Mexico rich (which is *not* what I said, BTW). I do want them to make their economy better, but if we can help them do that, and it will benefit us as well as them in the long run, we should do it. I'm not talking about some one sided thing here. Get that thought out of your head! I'm a conservative Republican. I don't believe in tax and spend. But I'm talking about a long term program that could benefit all of us.
Also, I do wish that we would secure our borders better, but I'm not for building a wall and catapulting people back over the border. That's a tad extreme for me.
jbox:
HEY! Despite all the complex social analysis of the situation going on here, the answer has been staring you in the face all along. Just make them privatise their social security! 8)
--- Quote ---Free trade... of what, exactly? What does Mexico have that we want?
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Cheap labour apparently. ;)