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Illegal Immigration
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: lokki on March 21, 2005, 04:35:48 pm ---They are here illegally they did brake the law in order to get in the US. But they are contributing members of society. And you may not like it but your food (and other thing are cheaper because of their labor.
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They contribute a lot more to our society too.
Higher taxes, unemployment, and crime.
fredster:
11 million
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050321/D88VEAMO0.html
lokki:
--- Quote ---If they weren't here, then the wages would go up for the labor. The prices would be adjusted, and the hospitals wouldn't have to bear the costs for people without the slightest hint of insurance.
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I don't buy this argument.
The assumption is that labor salries are cheap because there are people willing to do the work for cheap. The reality is labor salaries are cheap because companies are trying to compete with other companies (and the rest of the world).
Americans want cheap electronics,clothing, etc. But guess what if you pay a decent salarie for those products then the prices of those products go up. And unfortunatly no Buy American campain i going to change that.
Funny thing an American Company in my home town (in Mexico) recently closed shop (laying off thousands) because labor was cheaper by 25 cnts an hour in china.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: lokki on March 21, 2005, 05:36:05 pm ---I don't buy this argument.
The assumption is that labor salries are cheap because there are people willing to do the work for cheap. The reality is labor salaries are cheap because companies are trying to compete with other companies
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Funny thing an American Company in my home town (in Mexico) recently closed shop (laying off thousands) because labor was cheaper by 25 cnts an hour in china.
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You don't understand this argument.
No one is going to email their lawn to China have the Chinese cut it, then email it back to them.
No one is going to order a cheese burger from a fast food place in China and wait for it to be Fed Exed to their house.
We are not talking about jobs that can be outsourced.
Illegals are here doing jobs that legals could should be doing.
RacerX:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 21, 2005, 03:43:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 03:34:33 pm ---Apparently you didn't see the word "help" in my sentence. I'm not for handouts. But I am for helping them elevate themselves if they need the help because it will be good for us in the long run.
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Help them how? What would we get in return? If we 'help' them and get nothing in return, that is a handout.
The US doesn't know how to HELP people anyway, they just move in and support/repress them. What would happen is we would end up subsidizing their economy indefinitely. That's not beneficial to us in the long run or the short run.
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What we would get in return is exactly what you want. A lot fewer illegal immigrants!
The help I'm referring to is free trade. Free exchange of goods and services. And, yes, if need be, monetary help in building infrastructure. It's an investment that would pay off in the long run. If the population of Mexico had a median income similar to that of the U.S. or other developed nations, the Mexican consumer would have money to buy products made in the U.S. And without restrictions on trade, they would be free to do so. What I'm talking about here takes *years*, but it could happen if the people in charge of both nations would let it. I know they won't, but it *would* solve the problem if they did.