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Illegal Immigration
ChadTower:
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--- Quote ---Uh, we're talking about the illegal aliens that are in the welfare system. Are you in the welfare system? No, because you work. Your argument does not apply to the scenario I presented.
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Sorry but you made blanket statement about noncitizens in the US which is not true.
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Point made, I will change that term to make it clearer. I meant illegal immigrants.
fredster:
--- Quote ---1) They shop at the same stores you do and pay the same sale taxes there as you do
2) A lot of them pay all taxes (using fake SS) and can never file for tax refund
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That's not the point. They also breath the same air. The problem is that they aren't here and documented legally. The flow isn't being controlled. The US government, and the Bush Administration isn't following the consitution. The borders are being compromised.
I don't care if these people come in legally. The US has the perfect right to seal the borders doesn't it? It has the right to decide that illegals shouldn't be here doesn't it?
Saying that people being here is okay because they do some good doesn't cut it. There are lots of reasons for them being here, that doesn't mean they should be here does it?
lokki:
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--- Quote ---1) They shop at the same stores you do and pay the same sale taxes there as you do
2) A lot of them pay all taxes (using fake SS) and can never file for tax refund
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That's not the point. They also breath the same air.
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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: lokki on March 21, 2005, 04:35:48 pm ---Except that one of the main concerns agains illegal immigrants is that they do not contribute.
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The people I am talking about are not contributors. Besides, if someone were to pay $2500 in taxes, then show up at a county ER requiring $4500 in medical care that they never pay for, could you make me understand what their contributions are?
fredster:
I didn't say that they didn't contribute. They do, but not the same as the rest of the people. They don't have health insurance, they don't have licences, they are illegal, and many live on the run.
They come in and flood the market with cheap labor that changes the equation. Most live in multiple family dwellings. They come and take what money they have and send it out to their families in other countries.
If they weren't here, then the wages would go up for the labor. The prices would be adjusted, and the hospitals wouldn't have to bear the costs for people without the slightest hint of insurance.