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rchadd:
Sounds like we got similar issues over here in the UK with people from every nationality under the sun now claiming asylum and then expecting the British tax payer to provide them with accomodation, social security and free health service. All this whilst our own pensioners exist on a pittance from the state!
Mr Blair & his chronies refuse to do anything about it and would if they could simply open the doors and let anybody into the country in the interest of the "economy" (cheap labor). Also I assume everybody who arrives would be issued with their own Labour Party membership card by Tony.
daywane:
Yes we have them here in Ky also.
The state let the farmers ship them in because we Americans refused to work that hard for $100.00 a week and no benefits.
This is a load of dung. We as a country set the rules. You do not like a product or the price , you no buy! very simple. Industry will change or go out of business.
Farmers ...Pay a good wage or go out of business. Do not tell me this line of crap about farmers having it so hard. look at the $$$$$$$ tractors the big fat slob is sitting in.
as far as the brain dead girl. what in the heck is congress doing? They have no right in this case. Now we make up laws as we go. OK but still congress has no rights doing it. We have other government for that.
its like them talking to baseball...?
I got one thing to say to Washington .. Democrats and republicans alike
OK 2 things ... I forgot about the 2ND pic
fredster:
The Schiavo case is a different thread.
As far as supply and demand goes for cheap labor, I agree. But to me it doesn't matter. I don't believe for a second that Americans won't do these jobs. I believe they won't do the jobs for the pay. Mexicans are screwing it up for the USA. Simple as that.
The pay would have to change to get and hold American Citizens. It would change what we pay for food, and that hits a lot of people. It would also raise the costs for all sorts of goods, but they likely need adjustment anyway.
Mexicans are replacing Americans on a lot fronts and putting American small business out of business. Take a look at Bricklayers, contractors, and landscapers. If any of you watch HGTV you can see it. Who is doing all the work for the landscapers? Yep, mexicans.
I have worked in factories that make metal parts for years. I've started to see the Americans replaced by Mexicans in the harder hand work jobs, and it upsets me. These Mexicans are really good people, they are hard working, they don't complain, and they work steady. But when I was younger I did those jobs too. I worked for that pay.
I think they should build the wall up like they did in Israel. I think that we can have Mexicans in here if we know who they are and they go through the proper legal channels, whatever that may be. I also think they should fine any company that hires them. How hard could that be? All they would have to do is double the INS agents, start driving busses up to the companies with warrants and check all the green cards, city by city, factory by factory until the employers get the idea.
The problem is that the Dems want the vote and the Republicans want the vote and labor. They site all this crap about how hard working these people are, but in the end they lower the wage scale for everybody, suck up the resources for Americans, and leave. I don't like it.
Legal immigration is fine with me. More power to people who want to live in the USA, legally. But jumping the fence and leaving is not an option.
Find a candidate that says we'll lock up the border or even reduce the flow and I'll back him 100%. Democrat, Republican, or Druid, I'm with him (or her).
RacerX:
This all boils down to the minimum wage. Americans won't do these jobs because they won't work for less than the minimum wage. And why should they? The don't have to. But that leaves the door open for illegal workers who *will* work for less than the minimum wage. If the labor market were left to determine the cost of labor instead of the minimum wage artificially raising it, this issue would certainly not be as big as it is.
Some politicians will argue that people can't survive on any less. But the bottom line is that if you didn't need that job, you wouldn't do it. Any amount of money is better than no money at all. And as a worker gains experience, their wages will increase. If their current company doesn't pay them more, then another one will if the laborer's skills are valuable enough to them.
monkeybomb:
Frester you're dead on with going business by business. That would end it, and fast. I also agree that Americans would do the jobs if there was a real paycheck.
As for the min. wage, there are people that are willing to do all the manual labor out of desperation for near nothing and they aren't Americans. Geting rid of the wage rules would just make lots of poor people a lot poorer. That leads to BIG social problems. Lazie faire didn't work for most Americans 120 years ago and it isn't about to start now.