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Illegal Immigration
RacerX:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 21, 2005, 02:43:38 pm ---So whatever happened to a culture working hard to elevate itself? Somehow it is our job to elevate a people who are not willing to do what is necessary to elevate themselves? I say build the wall and put a giant catapult on our side. If they get caught coming over, onto the catapult they go. For you folks that are soft on crime (yes, illegal immigration is ILLEGAL), we'll point the catapult at the ocean.
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These people are hard workers. It's what they come over here to do. Are there abusers of our welfare system? Sure. But there are many American citizens who also abuse it. I'm not saying we have to do the work for them. I'm saying if we can help them develop their economies, it will be good for us all.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 02:53:23 pm ---I'm saying if we can help them develop their economies, it will be good for us all.
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It's not good for us to devote a segment of our hard earned resources to elevate someone who will not elevate themselves. It's not like Mexico hasn't had a couple hundred years to do it.
You're right about there being American abusers of the system. They should be weeded out and punished too, but first thing is first: get the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS out of the welfare pool since they have never contributed to it.
I also agree wholeheartedly that the punishment for employing illegal immigrants should be severe.
lokki:
--- Quote ---You're right about there being American abusers of the system.
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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: lokki on March 21, 2005, 03:25:59 pm ---Hold on one minute... I was not going to post anything to this thread. But can't leet things like this go out. Guess what I am not a US citizen I have lived in the US for 14 years (legally). I did not get my residency until recently (green card). I will be another 4 years until I can qualify for citizenship. And I have been contributing to the US economy for all those years.
Before I received my green card. I was working under the H1 visa program. While under H1 I paid social security/unemployment taxes etc. even though as an H1 I did not qualify to benefit from them.
Also It is not true that they (illegal aliens) do not contribute.
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Uh, we're talking about the illegal aliens that are in the welfare system. Are you in the welfare system? No, because you work. Your argument does not apply to the scenario I presented.
menace:
actually I did taxes while I was living in the US as a volunteer service. It was supposed to be for low income families to have access to tax preparation but we ended up seeing alot of illegals there as well. The IRS made it very clear that we are to accept ALL returns even if the SS was a complete fraud--seems like they like the tax revenue. Also, the IRS has said on more than one occasion that their information is not shared with INS. If the US was in fact serious about cracking down on illegals, that, to me would be the best place to start. The government can't cry foul on one side saying its a big problem while one very significant branch of the government looks the other way...