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Illegal Immigration
RacerX:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 20, 2005, 01:31:43 pm ---My point is that if an employer can't find people to work at a certain wage, he has to raise it. He raises his prices to his customer. If they won't pay, he has to find better ways of doing his business. If that doesn't work, he goes out of business.
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That is exactly right. But there *are* people willing to work for less than minimum wage. They may not be here legally, but the fact is that they are here, and you aren't going to stop them.
The only true way to end it is to grow the economies of underdeveloped nations to the point where these people can stay in their own homeland and work.
As for not being able to live off of the minimum wage or lower, that's not what these jobs are there for really. They are entry level, low skilled jobs. A worker wouldn't stay in one of these jobs forever. They would move up as they gained experience. You guys talk like you expect someone to live their whole life working a minimum wage job and be able to live off of the salary. That just doesn't happen in real life if the worker is of any quality.
ChadTower:
Ack, it's laissez faire, that is driving me nuts.
Forget Israel's wall. It's not enough. Emulate China's wall. Use the illegals to build the damn thing, if they die in the process emtomb them in it, and then use it to keep them out. If they want to come legally they can use the security door.
My mother used to work in the welfare system here in MA. I used to sit in her office after school until she finished her day a couple of times a week. I saw the things people do to defraud the welfare system. Yes, there were citizens defrauding the system too, but 90% of the offenders were illegals (and nearly all hispanic in our area). I'm talking about filing benefits for nonexistant kids, pretending adamantly to not speak English, packing 15 people into a one bedroom apartment, all of them receiving a benefit of the full cost of rent. The system was so overloaded that by the time someone came around to check, as soon as the notices arrived, the people would disappear back to Puerto Rico. They had no intention of staying, contributing, or doing anything positive. This isn't even counting the health care costs for when they show up at the ER or the cost of educating the kids in public schools.
I graduated from Salem (MA) High School. At least a quarter of my class didn't graduate and didn't intend to graduate. They were in school because it was a requrement in order to receive welfare benefits if they were under 18. I'd say another 20-30% of those particular students were obviously at least 20. We had 11th graders who looked like Lando Calrissian. The whole thing was weighing down the school so badly that those who truly wanted an education couldn't get one because it simply wasn't there to be had. My wife (obviously not at the time) graduated with me and she used to cry at night sometimes because she wanted to get into a good college, wanted to get a real education but the teachers were 70 years old, the books were falling apart, and even those teachers who tried to teach a class spent more time trying to maintain order than teaching. By the time she got to a University she had to take remedial classes in math just to get to basic algebraic skills and she is very intelligent person.
Now, I realize I say all of this as an immigrant myself, but I have always done everything I humanly could to be a productive member of society. I was also never illegal because my father is and always was a US Citizen.
Immigration is fine, it's necessary, and you can't deny it to those who would seek citizenship properly. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HAS TO STOP. It is the US' #1 problem and will always be unless something is done about it.
RacerX:
I'll repeat myself because it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
The only true way to end it is to grow the economies of underdeveloped nations to the point where these people can stay in their own homeland and work.
I don't care how many walls you build, you aren't going to keep out illegal immigrants until they can earn a living in their own country. Period.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 10:13:57 am ---I'll repeat myself because it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
The only true way to end it is to grow the economies of underdeveloped nations to the point where these people can stay in their own homeland and work.
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It's not falling on deaf ears. It is impractical, impossible, and not our responsibility so it was ignored.
Hey, maybe it did fall on deaf ears. Is ignoring something deaf ears?
daywane:
--- Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2005, 10:13:57 am ---I'll repeat myself because it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
The only true way to end it is to grow the economies of underdeveloped nations to the point where these people can stay in their own homeland and work.
I don't care how many walls you build, you aren't going to keep out illegal immigrants until they can earn a living in their own country.
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