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RandyT:


--- Quote from: Lilwolf on March 21, 2005, 08:44:03 am ---I took the electronic restriction based on a few people who asked for keyboard encoders to restrict diagonals.  I talked in length with Ron (MK64) about it in the past before mame added it.  We found the "up not left not right" solution and realized it wasn't useful in hardware.  I personally thought Andy was talking about that.

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That's fine, but that's not what was said.

In any case, the reason the "up not left not right" stuff can't work is, as you said, granularity, but also because it is an exclusionary approach.  That method basically deadens anything that isn't a perfect direction and essentially does more to worsen the problem that alleviate it.

The current method overcomes this with increased granularity and a method that is inclusionary, meaning that directions that are primarily in the desired directions are made pure instead of being merely discarded.


--- Quote ---I'm not saying that the 49way wont play 4ways well.  In fact I thought think it will do a great job.  I don't believe it will feel the same... but should take care of the 8way problems... but will still feel like an 8way... 

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If you are looking for the feel of mechanical restriction, I will agree.  But understand that that feel is a choice and not a necessity for excellent 4-way operation with a 49-way stick and the proper interface.  This is my point.


--- Quote ---I think the happs will probalby be the ultimate all in one solution.  But even then... I think if I was going to have a dedicated 4way machine, I would personally like the aniversary because of the feel... but until I try your solution I may think different.

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In all honesty, I have no argument here.  If one is building a dedicated 4-way machine, cost alone dictates that a good, dedicated 4-way is in order.  Plan to play one 8-way game on that same machine, and the equation changes dramatically.

RandyT


Grasshopper:

There are a lot of opinions here being presented as facts.

IMHO both the mechanically switched 4/8 way sticks, and the 49 way sticks are compromises, and which approach you'll prefer is entirely subjective.

I like the T-Stik and the Suzo 500. But they both share the same problem which is that they have a slightly longer throw in 4 way mode. I find that both the T-Stik and the Suzo 500 feel a lot crisper in 8 way mode. However, they're still a good compromise if you don't want to use separate 4 way and 8 way sticks.

The 49 way sticks sound very promising but I'll reserve judgement on how they deal with the 4/8 way issue until I actually get one. However, for me software switching is a must. If I have to mess around pressing buttons, I'd rather use a mechanical switching mechanism.


RandyT:


--- Quote from: Grasshopper on March 21, 2005, 03:13:12 pm --- There are a lot of opinions here being presented as facts.

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Please point them out.  Not much to go on with a statement like that.


--- Quote ---If I have to mess around pressing buttons, I'd rather use a mechanical switching mechanism.

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I'm failing to see the difference.

They both require you to perform an operation before using the stick, except the former can give you diagonals, true 49-way operation plus a couple of others that the latter cannot.  It's also a heck of a lot easier to make the change.  But again, no corners to bounce off, if that is your bag.

So, are you saying that you would rather have the corners than than have to push a couple of buttons?  Or that pushing two buttons together is more difficult than the current switching methods on other sticks?  I'm afraid I'm not following your logic.....

RandyT



Tiger-Heli:

Let me throw some new ideas into the mix.

I've used the Prodigy Joysticks.

NoOne=NBA=:


--- Quote from: JODY on March 20, 2005, 09:50:45 pm ---Got used to twirling the stick and not moving in the restrictive cross pattern.  Faster response time that way because don't have to move down to move across.

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The shortest distance between two points is STILL a straight line, therefore the fastest response will be to follow that line.

You're not moving Down THEN Across, you are moving in a straight line diagonally Down AND Across at the same time.

The restrictor is diamond shaped.
This keeps you from going in a big arc, which is a longer distance to travel, and stays in the "bad" zone much longer.

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