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mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: GGKoul on March 02, 2005, 01:53:03 pm ---And you know MrC, there are dozens and dozens of reverse cases of schools not being patriotic. Look at this one, http://hq.protestwarrior.com/?page=/featured/PHS/PHS.php
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I've read through the link. It really isn't a good counter example. "Operation Tiger Claw"?? Is that linked in any way to "Talon News"??
You do know that the "Protest Warriors" provoke violence in their protest, right? They've often waded into peaceful anti-war protesters, mock and scorned them, and provoked negative responses so they can cry "foul", "look how violent the leftists are!!"
Well, at the inauguration, several Protest Warriors rightfully got their asses kicked for being such thuggish morons.
Anyhow, the entire experiment you linked to, ignores the fact that NO STUDENT or POLITICAL AFFILIATION is allowed to blanket a school in propaganda if it begins to interfere with school operation. When I was in H.S. I did the same thing, but with liberal messages. They were promptly taken down. I didn't whine about it like these "noble" Protest Warriors either. I understood that it wasn't allow.
The case, (Tinker v. Des Moines), which they refer too, allows the school to deliberate on a case by case basis. It isn't a broad mandate for free expression. Schools still have rules, you just can't post anything you want all over school grounds. This example you've provided is just another case of the sensationalist Protest Warriors trying to provoke a response that fits their agenda.
From the majority opinion in the case:
"The Court has repeatedly emphasized the need for affirming the comprehensive authority of the States and of school officials, consistent with fundamental constitutional safeguards, to prescribe and control conduct in the schools."
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"Certainly where there is no finding and no showing that engaging in the forbidden conduct would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school," the prohibition cannot be sustained . . ."
In other words, as I mentioned above, it's up to the school. *However*, they cannot prohibit the speech, unless it's deemed to interfere with "the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school", the Protest Warriors actions did just that, as counter-protests began to form, and confrontations began between students, and the flyers were removed.
mrC
Shape D.:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 02, 2005, 01:35:12 pm ---http://hq.protestwarrior.com/?page=/featured/PHS/PHS.php
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Hey that kids a terrorist too.
walls83:
It doesn't bother me that he didn't stand for the flag. That's his right. but those kids need some disciplined I don't mean literally shoving the flag up his butt. But how much does the teacher need to yell and tell them to be quite(while their laughing at him thinking ya whats he going to do we will sue his ass). Kids have it way to easy these days. "LOOK MOM THE TEACHER PULLED A CHAIR OUT FROM UNDER ME!" I'm being abused. BLAH BLAH BLAH. We got spanked in my schools growing up. I have no sympathy for that kid.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: walls83 on March 02, 2005, 02:28:16 pm ---We got spanked in my schools growing up. I have no sympathy for that kid.
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Do you have kids? If so, do you support the idea of public H.S. teachers spanking them?
mrC
ChadTower:
I did too, but it wasn't public school and it wasn't in the US, so it's an invalid comparison.