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Land of the free?
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: Magnet_Eye on March 06, 2005, 07:28:14 am ---
Don't force feed me your beliefs. I am sick of it. I will not stand for "one nation under God"
I do value my country and believe in it, and respect it. I just wish all those ---daisies--- would stop throwing their Christianity at me.
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Agreed. I also wish those "---daisies---" would stop throwing their Christianity at you. They're doing a disservice to Christianity, and aren't following the precept set forth for speaking to you regarding their religion - if they profess to follow Christ.
fredster:
I watch O'Reilly all the time. I don't agree with him all the time, but you have to admit he outlines his opinions based on facts. He may view the facts differently, but you can either agree or disagree based on what he presents.
--- Quote ---So if the progressives can succeed in eroding parental influence at home, it becomes much easier to influence American children to embrace a secular point of view. That's what's going on here.
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What is false about that statement? I think that's what the HITLER youth were all about. China does that too. It's a tactic to win the hearts and minds of children right behind the backs of parents.
Is it real? Is there an organized trend to do that? Maybe in some quarters. In this case he was trying to link teacher's unions and the progressive movement again. Could be true in the yankee north, they do some wierd things up there. Maybe even on the left coast. But not here in the South.
My son is an honor student, he works hard for his grades, he does what I tell him to do. I haven't had to spank him but twice. Once for lying and once for stealing. But that was very extreme. I didn't enjoy it. The reason he behaves so well is I am all over what he does and he and I work together so he understands what he is required to do with no question. I don't have to yell at him. But he's only 10, and the best is yet to come for challenges.
This decision about that boy in Washington was assinine. I can watch and oversee any activity my son is doing in my house. There is no question. I like the comment above about taking the door of the kids room, I put that down in my book topics.
If I can't listen to what he says on the phone, there will be no phone. I have the right to listen to ANY conversation in my house. Period. Even if somebody is in the house and somebody is standing at the door or connected from another country, it's in my house.
I think the wiretap laws simply state it can't be used as evidence. I don't know if yoiu can record phone conversations and only listen to them. They do that where I work. If somebody calls one of my bosses, he has a recorder and listens to it. But it's being recorded.
I have always been for parents taking the responsiblity for their children if the children screwed up. It think it's necessary. If my son does damage to person or property, they are going to come to me for the money to fix it. If he does something illegal, then I'd have to say why he had the motive and opportunity to do that. That's fair and right to do that. I accept the responsiblity for my son and me.
saint:
Does your boss advise the people who call him that they are being recorded? As far as I know, recording someone without their awareness is illegal. That's why you hear "This call may be recorded for training purposes" or some such any time you call a help line. Didn't Linda Tripp get in trouble for recording her calls with Monica? I think I remember that but couldn't swear to it. Amusingly enough, that law doesn't apply (didn't apply?) to video recording, just audio. That's why they've had to enact separate laws dealing with peeping toms, people misbehaving with video cameras, etc...
Er... that's all a layman's understanding. IANAL.
--- saint
--- Quote from: fredster on March 06, 2005, 06:11:39 pm ---
I think the wiretap laws simply state it can't be used as evidence. I don't know if yoiu can record phone conversations and only listen to them. They do that where I work. If somebody calls one of my bosses, he has a recorder and listens to it. But it's being recorded.
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fredster:
Saint,
That was my point, no he doesn't. Think I should turn him in? ;)
Linda Tripp used the stuff to make money, and bring down a president. That's a little different than recording a conversation with a customer. That way he can catch them changing their tune later. He makes sure he understands what they said.
If he wants to record, it's hooked up to his phone and he punches the record button. It's right out on his desk, and he got a special hookup just for the phone / recorder connection to the company phones.
He swears by it. Says it has saved the company millions.
That's funny about the laws isn't it? You can use emails against people, but not recordings. Wierd.
jbox:
This thread is starting to remind me of Robin Williams:
begin: teacher picks on kid for not standing
= kids are probably pranking the teacher
= does the right to protest require a "good" reason
= kids nowdays are cowards and losers, kids in the old days had respect
= we need to be able to hit kids more often, or maybe less often
= teachers are too over-worked, parents are too lazy
= parents have it too tough, society makes it too hard
= women need to choose between a family XOR a career
= single-parent families are making kids soft
= a parent got arrested for stopping her kid from making a drug deal
= a man got convicted for admitting to a crime to his girlfriend
= a parent might get arrested for listening to their kids on the phone
= a man's conviction got overturned (even though he did it) because of a stupid law
= people are no longer allowed to not give kids a phone in their room
= claiming the law will result in certain conviction by non-lawyers is misleading
= claiming the law will result in certain conviction by non-lawyers is not misleading
= minority religions are interfering with the Christian nation and the minority is over ruling the majority
= Hitler would support what the secret secular society is up to (#3)
= is wiretapping okay if it isn't used for evidance
= companies record what you say "for training purposes"
= email vs phone calls - why the double standard
= some stupid post about what is in this thread
= ???
I'm breathless with anticipation. This is even more entertaining then Springer (as opposed to Verlag)... ;)