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NoOne=NBA=:

That is exactly what I was saying.
What works on paper is not necessarily what works in real-life applications.

A good case in point for this application is whether the 1st level inputs even need to be used.
How much of a dead zone is created around center by eliminating them from the picture?
How does that compare to a 4-way leaf?
How does it compare to a 4-way micro?
These are things that can't be PROVEN on paper.
They have to be FELT.

With this setup, you can't tweak anything in the field.
Testing it at the source is the only way to tweak anything.

Could Randy have sent it off for Beta testing after HE was satisfied with it?
Yes, but it would have delayed availability of the product.

SHOULD he have?
I don't think so.

He's backing up HIS opinions (subjective as they are) with a money-back guarantee, so I'm guessing he's fairly confident with the results.
Basically the product will soon enter the Beta testing phase.
People will buy it, and post how THEY think it feels.

sWampy:


--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on March 02, 2005, 11:17:50 am ---That is exactly what I was saying.
What works on paper is not necessarily what works in real-life applications.

A good case in point for this application is whether the 1st level inputs even need to be used.
How much of a dead zone is created around center by eliminating them from the picture?
How does that compare to a 4-way leaf?
How does it compare to a 4-way micro?
These are things that can't be PROVEN on paper.
They have to be FELT.

With this setup, you can't tweak anything in the field.
Testing it at the source is the only way to tweak anything.

Could Randy have sent it off for Beta testing after HE was satisfied with it?
Yes, but it would have delayed availability of the product.

SHOULD he have?
I don't think so.

He's backing up HIS opinions (subjective as they are) with a money-back guarantee, so I'm guessing he's fairly confident with the results.
Basically the product will soon enter the Beta testing phase.
People will buy it, and post how THEY think it feels.

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What would have been super nice is if the patterns could be updated in the driver, and if the modes could have been switched in software.

RandyT:


--- Quote from: SirPoonga on March 02, 2005, 10:34:13 am ---I totally understand what you are saying.  Things may not work out like they do on paper.
However, I wouldn't leave it up to one guy to determine what should feel right to everyone because one person is more likely to NOT think of all possibilities.  So we have to challenge RandyT to make sure he is giving us a good product.  Example, me coming up with the shift key idea because I can see this as a replacement for the keywiz for some people.  RandyT didn't think of that.  Which make me tend to think RandyT didn't beta test this with anyone but himself.  What he thinks may not be what most of his customers think and you need to cater to the customer, not yourself.

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You don't give me enough credit.

I did consider the shifted buttons at the beginning of this, but I didn't know 2 things:

1: Whether such a feature was necessary when there are scads of buttons available, especially in a panel where there are 2 of these boards present (46 extra buttons is a lot for anyone)  or 1 GP-Wiz49 + 1 KeyWiz (IPAC, whathaveyou) where the Keyboard encoder already has this feature.  And there is also the fact that with applications like MAME, ANY button can be a "shift" button.  You just dedicate it as such and it works.  So when you brought it up, I looked at in the light of "it was important enough to one person, so there may be others.  And if I can add it without detriment to the rest of the product, I will try."  I am still not convinced that the testamant of one user deems that feature as a necessity that should hold up it's release,  considering the rest of what the product offers.

and

2: Whether there was a way to implement a shifted gamepad button that makes sense and won't screw up cross-platform HID compatibility.  I still don't know the answer to this one as I now am battling fussy HID report structures again.

So, it's not that I didn't think of a simple addition of a shift function.  There were just a lot more issues at play than you are aware of in its implementation.



And, I will repeat this one more time.  "Feel" has nothing to do with this product.  You cannot make it feel any different by messing with the definitions.  What you can do, however, is screw it up royally so that it doesn't work as it should.  The feel of the stick is governed entirely by the mechanical operation and one must correct for what it does by it's inherent nature.

This is one area where Xiaou2 and I see "eye-to-eye", and when I get few free moments, I'll respond to that book he wrote :).

And the product was tested.  I mean, I like you guys a lot, but there are other people on the planet.  Some of them that will even give you fresh viewpoints not clouded by years of what they are "used to".  I even had a chance to watch what happened when they used it.   We are talking people who don't play video games for a living, but average Joes, who when asked "how does the control feel?  Did it ever seem to make you go someplace you didn't intend to go?" replied in every case, paraphrased, "No.  It worked really well and I felt like I was always in control."

And you know the funny thing?  They never asked what the grids looked like....not even once.

RandyT




SirPoonga:


--- Quote from: RandyT on March 02, 2005, 11:51:53 am ---You don't give me enough credit.

2: Whether there was a way to implement a shifted gamepad button that makes sense and won't screw up cross-platform HID compatibility.
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RandyT:


--- Quote from: sWampy on March 02, 2005, 11:28:17 am ---What would have been super nice is if the patterns could be updated in the driver, and if the modes could have been switched in software.

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If this is of interest to you, take urebelscum's advice and use the software approach to develop your own solutions.  This product was not designed for you, rather the person that just wants things to work without fiddling with stuff that might confuse the hooey out of them. :)

RandyT



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