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IntruderAlert:


--- Quote from: IntruderAlert on March 03, 2005, 10:29:19 am ---Suppose the following:

1) - Ultracade is actually based on M.A.M.E. and includes M.A.M.E. code
2) - In order to hide this fact, David R. Foley builds some serious copy protection into his systems and begins selling his arcade machines.
3) - Ultracade begins to grow and actually make a nice profit
4) - David R. Foley becomes even more concerned over the possibility of M.A.M.E. code being discovered in his arcade machines and the resulting possibility of his being sued by the original M.A.M.E. creators for his unauthorized use of M.A.M.E. code.
5) - David R. Foley sees an opportunity for leverage against the M.A.M.E. creators in that the M.A.M.E. name and logo have never been trademarked and quickly files for the M.A.M.E. trademark himself.
6) - David R. Foley agrees to return ownership of the M.A.M.E. name and logo to the original M.A.M.E. creators in exchange for the rights to use M.A.M.E. code in all of his arcade machines and thus avoids the possibility of ever being sued by the M.A.M.E. creators

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To make myself a little more clear on my line of thought..
Perhaps this entire controversy that David R. Foley is creating over the M.A.M.E. cabs being sold is only a smokescreen to cover his real intentions of aquiring the rights to use M.A.M.E. code in all of his arcade machines and thus avoid the possibility of ever being sued by the M.A.M.E. creators


Fat_Trucker:

Why would he have overtly started trying to earn royalties from it if he only wanted to protect himself from litigation?.

I think his drive to attack MAME was probably related to him being ordered to cease use of Namco? roms last year. From his point of view he's running a legitimate business and has people pulling licences and preventing him from using software while he can see the MAME community or more particularly some 3rd party vendors using them or trading on the ability to use them with impugnity.

I think it was plain frustration and the desire for some kind of abstract payback that motivated the attack on the TM.

mr.Curmudgeon:


--- Quote from: IntruderAlert on March 03, 2005, 02:55:41 pm ---4) - David R. Foley becomes even more concerned over the possibility of M.A.M.E. code being discovered in his arcade machines...

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You may be on to something. Sounds compelling. I just found a PDF Manual for Ultracade machines (http://www.happcontrols.com/images/pdf/ultracade_manual.pdf), and there was something that caught my eye:

"By accepting and operating an ULTRACADE system, the owner/operator of each ULTRACADE system agrees to abide by all copyrights and trademarks and not to attempt to decompile or modify the operating system in anyway."

Is this clause standard? Or *is* he hiding something? Given your assumption above, it does sound fishy.


mrC

GGKoul:


--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 03, 2005, 03:11:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: IntruderAlert on March 03, 2005, 02:55:41 pm ---4) - David R. Foley becomes even more concerned over the possibility of M.A.M.E. code being discovered in his arcade machines...

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You may be on to something. Sounds compelling. I just found a PDF Manual for Ultracade machines, and there was something that caught my eye: http://www.happcontrols.com/images/pdf/ultracade_manual.pdf (PDF)

Is this clause standard? Or *is* he hiding something? Given your assumption above, it does sound fishy.

"By accepting and operating an ULTRACADE system, the owner/operator of each ULTRACADE system agrees to abide by all copyrights and trademarks and not to attempt to decompile or modify the operating system in anyway."

mrC

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Ok, I think it's time to call in a hacker/programmer.   As that doesn't seem like a standard clause...



Chris:


--- Quote from: GGKoul on March 03, 2005, 03:17:20 pm ---Ok, I think it's time to call in a hacker/programmer.
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