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'Dubya' isn't "Russian" for diplomacy.
DrewKaree:
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Actually, I think it's fairly reasonable to be suspicious of a person that continually supports a party that has a history of working against the interests of their own people.
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I'm glad to see you pre-emptively signing up for the rallies against Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
I believe Dr. King would be ashamed at the way these hucksters have (and continue to) sell out their "people" in an effort to line their pockets, in the process doing ever more harm than good. The Mafia could learn a trick or three from Mr. Jackson, specifically.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on February 27, 2005, 09:05:55 pm ---
"If the press was so free in the U.S., Putin asked, then why had those reporters at CBS lost their jobs? Bush was openmouthed."
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Are you that ignorant that even YOU can't answer the question? It'd leave ME open mouthed as well, having a world leader speaking to me and him being unable to comprehend the right of a business to deal with their employees how they wish.
A simple point to dispatch, but somehow you read a fatal parry by Mr Putin, rather than using your intelligence to assess the situation. Your "point" is underwhelming.
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LOL. The White House certainly would know something about orchestrated questions...*cough* GANNON/GUCKERT *cough*
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The fact the story is gone so fast should explain the importance of the matter, but thankfully, you're still out there searching for every last dead horse to beat. That this is a NON-story is lost on you. It's ok. Bang the drum loudly. We need to be able to keep tabs on you.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote ---Are you that ignorant...
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Drew, I'll take you to the woodshed, you insult me one more time without provocation. Directly or indirectly. Swear to God.
You're insinuating something I never said. Whether you like it or not, whether I think Putin's comment was factually correct or not, it does *not* diminish the fact that it was a direct dig at Bush, on the world stage nonetheless. That's the point. That Bush continues to fail so badly at managing diplomacy and exuding leadership, that he'd engender other world leaders to act in the same prepubescent fashion he's prone to behave in. It's sad, sloppy and downright silly.
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on February 27, 2005, 10:18:39 pm ---The fact the story is gone so fast should explain the importance of the matter
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It does nothing of the sort. I don't use the media to gauge the importance of a story. Nor do I allow them to dictate to me what matters. You'd call me ignorant, then propose that CNN/CBS/FOX should guide our lives? sad.
There has been continued investigation into the GOP funded, male prostitute, media shill, planted in the White House, who was used to keep the President from having to answer *real* questions, should they have been posed by our ever vigilant "liberal" media. I really don't care if you think it's important or not. You've already shown that you care so little about anything this administration does or does not do. In fact, given that it seems to upset you so much whenever it's brought up, I'd say it's pretty entertaining...*and* that's even more reason to keep pursuing it.
mrC
fredster:
Dexter -
--- Quote ---To be the first black secretary of state is a hell of an achievement
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I guess Colin Powell was white?
MrC -
--- Quote ---That Bush continues to fail so badly at managing diplomacy and exuding leadership, that
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By all accounts this visit was a huge success. France and the US are working together in Lebanon. Russia is with us, as much as they can be. Germany and Nato are going to start a role in training of Iraqi Troops.
In short, all the things your man said we should do, and now you rip Bush with nonsensical insults when his achieving these goals? That makes sense to you?.
And the insults directed at Condi Rice. Probably one of the most brilliant people in public life. Ms Rice didn't start out "fility" rich did she? Don't you think she's the role model for anybody? Work hard, study, focus and stick to your convictions and you too can become rich and powerful?
--- Quote --- I don't use the media to gauge the importance of a story.
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Good point, I don't either. However, I do gage the authenticity of a story by the media. If they keep finding out facts because inquiring minds what to know, that's interesting. But if the story ends with no new facts, that's great. Besides, I guess the democratic "shills" want equal time. One conservative in a crowd of democtrat reports isn't a story to me.
Either way, it has little to do with this thread.
I think it's a good thing that Bush was firm with the KBG myself. I don't see why we have to make friends by being utilitarian about our foreign policy.
Read up on your party's OCT 04 platform. Looks like Bush is good enough to both his and yours. What a great President!
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on February 28, 2005, 09:34:34 am ---I think it's a good thing that Bush was firm with the KBG myself. I don't see why we have to make friends by being utilitarian about our foreign policy.
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The reality is that, just like you, I am also concerned about the direction Putin, specifically, and democracy in general, is headed in Russia and I feel something *absolutely* needs to be done about it. But much like everything else, Bush goes about it in, what I feel, is a completely unproductive way. Also, just to head off this line from Bsuh defenders, it's not as simple as, "Wah! You damn liburuuuls just hate Bush, and he can never do anything right in your eyes!"...that's a extremely deficient statement and it's totally untrue.
As far as this incident w/ Putin, my concern is simple. Let's compare it to our own little microcosm here in this forum. What Bush just did to Putin, is like what Drew does to most everyone he disagrees with on this forum, he insults them indirectly by making snide comments about their "ignorance" and/or mental inferiority. I do it as well from time to time, although I'd like to think I've matured a bit lately, and as such, have toned it down a little. This behavior doesn't lead to reconciliation, or further understanding, nor does it illicit any desire to see his point of view. For my part, that's why I've tried to be less pointed by working to eliminate ad hominem attacks.
If Putin is already reacting so negatively, out in front on the world stage, what the *hell* do you think he'll do behind the scenes, behind closed doors (or behind a new iron curtain)?
Do you really think Bush's comments and subsequent behavior are going to effect positive change in Russia's thinking and/or actions? Are they going to compell Putin to want to work w/ the U.S. on any number of very important fronts? Or will they, like Drew's comments do for me, make Putin want to take Bush out behind the Woodshed?
If so, how is this a good thing?
mrC