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U.N. takes SOME steps, at least (formerly - where's the equivalent outrage)
DrewKaree:
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To say the UN (as a whole) is bad because it happened is the same arguement that was made about Abu Gharib.
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I agree wholeheartedly with that statement, however, there are/were people who wished to imply or just flat out say that exact thing re: the prisoners, and their silence in this child abuse speaks volumes to me.
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People say that the US (as a whole) is bad because that happened. I *think* what the difference may be, is that it's felt that Abu Gharib is seen as purposely done (the acts, coverups are everywhere).
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I can see your point, but there are records of this being reported as far back as 2001 (possibly further, I've not been able to find anything farther back than that), people got fired VERY soon after alerting their superiors to it, and even now, Kofi Annan is mum on the subject, and the only reason it's getting ANY ink is that a Human Rights organization did their own investigation, and 20/20, of all the journalistic hotbeds for a scoop, did some investigation. If the argument was made that Abu Gharib was a systemic problem, then it's reasonable to assume that something that's been going on for twice as long and been referenced often enough for there to be a trail (however faint it is) leading back that long that this clearly is beyond the scope of any cover-up that might have been done by Rumsfeld.
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IMO, the whole lot of them from both topics should be locked up. Put them in the same prison and they can play together.
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I disagree with capital punishment, but child abuse of this type could tip the scales depending on the day and how evil I'm feeling. As a dad, I hope I'm never in the situation where I even have to contemplate how someone who might have done this to my kids should be treated.
On your solution, I wish there were more that could be done, but I agree with you.
DarkKobold:
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Dexter:
Human rights abuses happening elsewhere doesn't diminish the ones committed by the US Drew. Even if this story received MORE coverage than whats going on in Iraq and Gitmo, not a single act of torture by US armed forces will be lessened, nor should it be.
The fact that you feel hard done by because your countries abuses received more publicity than the UNs says it all really.
Want to state that ALL abuses are a disgrace and shouldn't happen, or are the ones committed in the name of your security acceptable?
shmokes:
To be technical, Drew's specific logical fallacy is an ad hominem tuquoque (or maybe circumstantial), I believe. I don't think it's a straw man.
But yeah...anybody at the U.N. involved with this should hang, and presumably if there is a high level French official in the U.N. who is involved he is getting slaughtered by the French press.
But it's pretty normal, as an American, to be more concerned with the actions of fellow Americans than of others. I mean, do you give a damn who Tony Blair sleeps with? Are you going to demand that Ken Starr go over and investigate it?
In the end, though, I find this post a bit disingenuous. I have no doubt that you are personally outraged by the behavior of people in the U.N., but you didn't just post a link and say, "Look at this attrocious behavoir." You posted a link and said, "See, how can y'all criticize Abu Gharib and Gitmo? Look what THESE guys are doing." But the moral reprehensibility of an act, in my opinion, is unrelated to how many other people are committing similarly abominable acts.
And if I'm less (un)aware of bad behavior that is going on outside of America, or more concerned with the behavior of Americans well.....that's kind of normal. It's sort of like, you might see the teenage girl next door who is going out, scantily clad, on a daily basis with a group of boys and staying out until all hours of the night on school nights. This behavior would trouble you, I'm sure. But if you started seeing the same behavior from your own daughter I would imagine that you would be both more concerned and more active in trying to find a solution.
And I think it would be equally disingenuous of your daughter, when confronted, to say, "Dad, look at Cindy next door. She's been doing this for years. Where's the equialent outrage?"
p.s. I got the package. Thanks.