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U.N. takes SOME steps, at least (formerly - where's the equivalent outrage)
DrewKaree:
Abu Gharib is plastered all over the headlines while THIS barely makes news or is commented on?
Why is there no equal outrage and stories implying that Kofi Annon knew of this and was implicit in the program's creation like all the "this administration had to know" cries we heard?
Where is the outrage over the U.N. not only ignoring this, but trying to cover this up? Before you respond, look for stories about this happening as far back as 2001, reported again in 2002, and on and on and on. This CLEARLY has been covered up, and the U.N. and it's "self-investigation" practices demonstrate the utter corruption of this organization is rife with.
THAT is the organization we were supposed to be listening to when deciding to go into Iraq? THAT is the organization that was responsible for ignoring the Iraqi people that aid programs were supposed to be helping, all for the sake of oil?
Yeah, and the U.S. are the a-holes ::)
mr.Curmudgeon:
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!
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There's some outrage. Happy now?
mrC
P.S. Even though it pisses you off every time I tell you, you do realize that your post represents another "Straw man" argument, don't you? 'Cuz whether or not anyone is outraged enough for you over alleged atrocities committed under the auspices of the U.N., neither negates, justifies, or explains away atrocities committed by our OWN government.
fredster:
MrC
"straw man arguement"?
This is key Mr.Chuckles. Key. This proves that there was compliance from all levels of the UN to release Saddam from his "sanction prison". What do you think he would have done once those sanctions were lifted?
It further invalidates any "appeal" to the UN for any international crisis. It proves that no matter what we asked the UN to do, the cards were stacked against us. It proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the UN is corrupt.
There is no question. It's an absolute fact.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote ---"straw man arguement"?
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Yeah.
Drew's post purports that somehow, the fact that abuse occurred under the auspices of the U.N., they are somehow more important than those that occurred under the auspices of the U.S., that they somehow TOTALLY validate waging a preemptive war without the broad support of a truly multi-lateral coalition. He hasn't said that outright, but it's right there between the lines.
At best this incident makes the U.N. as bad as the U.S given correlating instances....nothing more, nothing less. If he asks where's the "equal" outrage, I'd say to him...yeah, were you equally as outraged by the atrocities committed in America's name in Abu Gharib? If so, why do you continue to support a president that REWARDED that failure (ie: Rumsfeld) and further encourages a policy of torture and abuse (ie: John "Contra" Negroponte / Attorney General Alberto "Suspension of Geneva Conventions" Gonzales)??
--- Quote ---"It proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the UN is corrupt."
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... it's "self-investigation" practices demonstrate the utter corruption of this organization is rife with.
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Again, follow through with that logic............please.
Apply it to what we've got here, in the Good Ole' U.S. of A.....
"But that task is now way beyond the purview of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which held important hearings on prisoner abuse. Republican Congressional leaders have made it painfully clear that they will not hold a real investigation. And no inquiry by the executive branch can be credible because the stain of prisoner abuse spreads so far. The Justice Department can't do it; Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was part of the problem."
Add to that, as mentioned above, John Negroponte (Iran/Contra funding, cover up of human rights abuses carried out by CIA-trained operatives in Honduras in the 1980s) has now been tapped for National Intelligence Director and we've got NO ROOM to complain about the abuses meted out by other nations.
Stop the abuses happening in your own backyard, before pointing to that which occurs in that of others. Frankly, I care more about what the U.S. does than the U.N, it's as simple as that...and in order of 'outrage' priority.
If these allegations are true, then obviously, those responsible should he held accountable.
But even given that, the abuse that occurred at Abu Gharib, and those continuing at Gitmo, SHOULD be plastered all over the U.S. news, and we all, as Americans, should be ashamed. We ARE NOT A NATION OF TORTURE. As for this particular fiasco invalidating any "appeal" to the U.N....I guess you could say the same about the U.S. then, huh? We've got more than a few 'atrocities' under our belt too.
mrC
SeaMonkey:
The U.N. wants oil to trade for basketed currency. The US has OPEC locked into using dollars only to sell oil. Now the other countries had a back door with the oil for food program, so they abused the be-jesus out of it. Our dollar was losing ground as a result, since the OPEC deal essentially makes the dollar backed by oil, so we went to war.
The argument you two are having ignores what is really going on. The UN corruption and the war in Iraq are just symptoms of the disease.
The real question is, do you want our dollar to collaps or not? Who's side are you on? Right or wrong, if oil goes to basketed currency, our dollar will be backed by nothing other than Greenspan's signature.
Even with the war, we have only put off the inevitable. Peak oil production will be here and gone in 40 years, at which point, if the dollar is still backed by oil, inflation will bust our economy.