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Danny R:
Yup, that brilliant idea is what got me thinking about this in the first place, as I thought there might be demand for a bit sturdier design that could be locked on and off - indeed, could even be used as a spinner with the swappable handle.
Apollo:
QBert works just fine for me with comps. Just remap the keys.
Kremmit:

--- Quote from: Danny R on February 10, 2005, 04:07:58 pm ---If you rotate the restrictor to 4-way mode, and then rotate the entire stick 45 degrees, you have exactly the same restrictor in exactly the same orientation as when it's in 8-way mode.

Yeah, I know this.  But I know a lot of the control panels I've seen don't allow easy rotation of the stick that 45 degrees once the 4 way mode is in.  Or they require putting a new restrictor plate into place.  Most of these options require diving into the control panel to make the change.  What I envision is a one step change simular to how the T-stick plus works... changing the plates from the top of the panel.

And of course playing in 8 way mode works as well, but you can play that way with games like pacman too.  People like having that restrictor plate in place at the right angle to give the right feel.  I'm not proposing anything really revolutionary, but I've never seen a stick that allow easy swapping between regular and q-bert 4 way modes without manually putting in a restrictor plate or moving the joystick.  This is why I see so many boards out there actually have a rotated 4 way somewhere on the panel.

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--- Quote ---What I envision is a one step change simular to how the T-stick plus works... changing the plates from the top of the panel.
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He's talking about using the T-stick (or the Prodigy).  When the restrictor is in 8-way position, it is in the proper Q-bert diagonal shape, for the correct feel. 

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|                  |
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|                  |   8-way shape restrictor
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|                  |
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|                  |
|                  |
|                  |   Q-Bert 4-way shape restrictor
|                  |
|                  |
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See the difference?

You just re-assign the keys in Mame for Q-Bert and Congo Bongo so to use the diagonals instead of the cardinal directions.  I dunno why people have so much trouble wraping their heads around this.

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Thenasty:
just have dedicated 4-way and get the 360 joystick and add diagonal leaf swicth.
Here is the mode
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=19200
MiKman:

--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on February 10, 2005, 01:17:58 pm ---The "rotating for Q*bert" part is pointless.

If you have a rotating restrictor plate, like the other currently available sticks, Q*bert plays exactly the way it should in 8-way mode, if you modify the inputs for Q*bert, in MAME, to only accept the diagonals.

If you rotate the restrictor to 4-way mode, and then rotate the entire stick 45 degrees, you have exactly the same restrictor in exactly the same orientation as when it's in 8-way mode.

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This is true and I have tried it, and it works, but without diamond shaped restrictor plate, it's like trying to play pacman with an 8-way joystick it's not easy.  I can't understand why a lot of people think it's ok to play q-bert with an 8-way, but it's not ok to play pac man with an 8-way...  Both need a 'real' 4 way joystick with the q-bert 4-way rotated 45 degrees, IMHO of course.

Note: By 'real' 4-way I mean a square (or diamond depending on how you look at it) restrictor (of some kind) in place so you cannot hit diagonals...
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