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| btoddkelley:
This maybe more of a queston for mame dev but I will ask anyway! Mame now has simulated analog circuits for sound rather than sample for some games. Coudn't a game like stuntcycle (or pong) be simulated within mame as long as each circuit was simulated? I am sure this would be quite a task (san you imagine the number of gates in monaco GP??!!) but I would think it would fit within the spirit of mame. Todd |
| Kremmit:
--- Quote from: btoddkelley on February 05, 2005, 11:23:54 am ---This maybe more of a queston for mame dev but I will ask anyway! Mame now has simulated analog circuits for sound rather than sample for some games. Coudn't a game like stuntcycle (or pong) be simulated within mame as long as each circuit was simulated? I am sure this would be quite a task (san you imagine the number of gates in monaco GP??!!) but I would think it would fit within the spirit of mame. Todd --- End quote --- It could be done; it used to be done. MAME used to emulate some of the discreet logic games, but have decided that's outside the scope of the MAME project, and removed those games. Somebody other than MAME will have to tackle games that used discreet logic. |
| old school gamer:
unclet,you can check out the real thing tommorow, when you come to pick up FREE space encounters. But make sure to bring your quarters,because it still takes coins 2 play. OSG |
| Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: Kremmit on February 05, 2005, 09:28:58 pm --- --- Quote from: btoddkelley on February 05, 2005, 11:23:54 am ---This maybe more of a queston for mame dev but I will ask anyway! Mame now has simulated analog circuits for sound rather than sample for some games. Coudn't a game like stuntcycle (or pong) be simulated within mame as long as each circuit was simulated? I am sure this would be quite a task (san you imagine the number of gates in monaco GP??!!) but I would think it would fit within the spirit of mame. Todd --- End quote --- It could be done; it used to be done. MAME used to emulate some of the discreet logic games, but have decided that's outside the scope of the MAME project, and removed those games. Somebody other than MAME will have to tackle games that used discreet logic. --- End quote --- Not necessarily - I think what Btoddkelley is suggesting would indeed be possible, but it would basically be Nicola's call whether it's acceptable or not. BTW, BTodd, this is one of the questions that you COULD ask on the MAME serious board without getting flamed - although I would expect someone to post "send us the driver, and we'll let you know". Kremmit - I could be wrong, but the only discreet logic games I EVER remember being in MAME were Pong and Monaco GP. Monaco was clearly a simulation - They did not emulate all the flip-flops and nand gates on the original board. Not sure about Pong. There is also a theory that Atari was upset about Pong being included in MAME and the dev's took it out to placate them. Monaco was just a victim so the dev's could use the "simulation" argument, rather than saying "To keep Atari happy, we're removing Pong." I suppose whether they ever can be added back depends on which of the above arguments is closer to the truth. |
| Kremmit:
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on February 07, 2005, 07:47:58 am ---Kremmit - I could be wrong, but the only discreet logic games I EVER remember being in MAME were Pong and Monaco GP. Monaco was clearly a simulation - They did not emulate all the flip-flops and nand gates on the original board. Not sure about Pong. There is also a theory that Atari was upset about Pong being included in MAME and the dev's took it out to placate them. Monaco was just a victim so the dev's could use the "simulation" argument, rather than saying "To keep Atari happy, we're removing Pong." I suppose whether they ever can be added back depends on which of the above arguments is closer to the truth. --- End quote --- Pong and GP could well be the only ones; I've never researched that. I thought I read somewhere that they had decided not to do games that were straight logic, but I'd never heard the "keep Atari happy" story before- interesting. However, the way I see it, if they had only pulled them because "They did not emulate all the flip-flops and nand gates on the original board.", then I would think it would have made more sense to just emulate the missing circuits, or mark the games as not-working, or working with problems, instead of pulling them entirely. So it seems likely that they are not planning on doing logic simulations/emulations any more, regardless of whether that's their own decision about what MAME does and does not do, or just due to Atari's complaint. Bummer for us. |
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