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This is more than a little scary
fredster:
I always thought people went too far on both sides. Me, I thought it was just another thing to divide people, especially in school. I didn't know until I was 15 I was supposed to dislike catholics, because, well, they are catholics.
But I couldn't see how taking down the 10 commandments served me either. I still don't see why I have to push back on religion. Most people are believers, and hey, that's their right. Removing it in public places serves no purpose. I don't think we have to bend the rules of 1000 to serve the needs of 1.
If the local people of a community want to decorate their court house with stained glass and crosses, fine, that's great. It doesn't stop them from doing the business of government, and might even make them more forgiving. If some jewish group wants a symbol, let them pay for it and put it there. No skin off my chin.
Pushing back will just create a backlash that will cause more problems than it's worth, because it's worth nothing to me to keep fighting a idea war that nobody wins at.
And I can't prove my "non religion" either. So resistance is futile.
Ravant:
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--- Quote from: Ravant on February 04, 2005, 01:24:54 pm --- If we're supposed to eliminate all remnants of religion within government, removing laws surrounding murder and theft would be the only logical way of *completely* ridding the government of religion.
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Now you're on to something.
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shmokes:
What's you're talking about is simply tyranny of the Majority. The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protect the minority from people who think like you and Fredster. Think about it, if you have a majority it's easy enough to pass a law for whatever you want. The right of the people to bare arms can't be abridged unless there is a majority in congress who decide to abridge it. The right to assemble and freedom of religion and so on can't be abridged unless a there are a majority of lawmakers who agree to abridge it. The point of the Bill of Rights was to guard certain important liberties from ever being taken away from the people, even if the majority in government wants to take them away. It's not ALWAYS about what the majority wants..
And if it was we would never have had Brown v. Board of Education.
And by the way, our national motto and consequently our money did not originally say, "In God We Trust". The Pledge of Allegience originally said, "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." The national motto was originally "E Pluribus Unum" (I think that's spelled right) which means "Out of many, One". Certianly not a devisive saying.
In 1954, to further distinguish America from the "godless commies" Congress voted to ADD god into government. Perhaps if some overzealous christians hadn't added god in there to begin with us overzealous atheists wouldn't have to be busting our asses trying to get him taken back out.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: shmokes on February 05, 2005, 01:06:56 pm ---
...us overzealous atheists wouldn't have to be busting our asses trying to get him taken back out.
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I thought God was a she, or were are you just "mixing it up"? ;)
shmokes:
...Damn it!!!