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Ravant:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on January 31, 2005, 10:54:44 am ---I for one, tend not to trust people that have already misled me. Call me crazy.
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So then would you vote for Hilary Clinton if she ran for president? What if Billy boy Clinton ran again, would you vote for him? What about Mr. John Kerry, would you vote for him? (I'm not asking these questions to be an arsehole, I'm asking them with an honest sincerity.) All of them misled the American people. Bill Clinton with his sex scandal, Kerry with half of his campaign, and Hilary, claiming she was going to help gas prices in New York, and yet tried her best to sway minds of certain political leaders to force a 30 cents a gallon tax rate on gasoline. Because of her, I have not been able to fill my 12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
Back on topic. To say that this election was a failure would be a mistake. The fact that they're finally able to have an election rather than a leader who was either put there as a puppet for another nation (and then became a militant totalitarian) or led because they killed the leader, is a step up for them.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on February 04, 2005, 01:10:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2005, 12:35:34 pm ---You've responded to a military strategy discussion with morality issues. It's a different discussion.
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Maybe so, but I tend to think of war as a moral issue.
--- Quote ---How do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?
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Good question...I'm not suggesting it's entirely avoidable, rather that it isn't efficient to proceed creating more and unifiying others. Which, until we see how the election process plays out, is certainly a possibility, and I would argue, a reality.
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Nice non-answer.
In case you missed it, the question was "How do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?"
Perhaps you thought you were answering another question. Clearly you didn't offer an answer to the question posed. That's nice that you aren't suggesting it's entirely avoidable, but since you brought up the point, why not answer the question posed in relation to the point you made?
In stating that you "would argue that it's a reality", you essentially have restated your original point. Again, that's nice, but avoids answering the question while leaving that pile out there. If you're going to throw it against the wall to see if it sticks, the nice thing to do when it doesn't is to clean up after yourself.
See, this is like the U.N. sitting on its hands and passing resolution after resolution after resolution (multiply that by 4 or more to get the picture) stating your conditions to Sadaam while not following through with any meaningful consequences.
How do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?
locash:
--- Quote from: Ravant on February 04, 2005, 01:23:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on January 31, 2005, 10:54:44 am ---I for one, tend not to trust people that have already misled me. Call me crazy.
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....12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
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I realize this is off topic, but I couldn't resist.
$28.00 / 12.3 gallons = $2.28/g
$60.00 a week / 2.27/g = 26.3 g a week
26.3 galllons a week * 31 mpg = 815 miles per week * 52 = 42380 miles per year
Speaking of misleading...that's a lot of driving by anyones standards!
ChadTower:
Maybe his gas tank leaks.
DrewKaree:
I like the points you've expressed, but I did a little math, and I'm simply pointing out that many will disagree with this one point, and think you prone to hyperbole on the rest of your points...
--- Quote from: Ravant on February 04, 2005, 01:23:28 pm ---. Because of her, I have not been able to fill my 12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
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Almost 60/wk leads me to believe you are telling us you fill up twice a week.
31 mpg x 12.3 tank = 360 miles (rounding and roughly for illustration)
360 miles x 2 fill ups = 720 miles. 720 miles x 52 weeks = over 30,000 miles per year, which is anything BUT not driving that much.
I know, it's nitpicking, but I know there are others here figuring it out just like I did, and putting a check in the box next to your name for "can't be trusted".
*edit* I see someone already DID figure it out, and a whole lot more precisely than my quick rounding-off math! *edit*
I still agree with a lot of your points!
--- Quote from: Ravant on February 04, 2005, 01:23:28 pm ---
All of them misled the American people. Bill Clinton with his sex scandal, Kerry with half of his campaign, and Hilary, claiming she was going to help gas prices in New York, and yet tried her best to sway minds of certain political leaders to force a 30 cents a gallon tax rate on gasoline
Back on topic. To say that this election was a failure would be a mistake. The fact that they're finally able to have an election rather than a leader who was either put there as a puppet for another nation (and then became a militant totalitarian) or led because they killed the leader, is a step up for them.
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Unbeknownst to you, there are many reasons they will point to when saying this is a mistake....just wait....they'll be happy to tell you about them, regardless of the validity of them ;)