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jbox:
--- Quote ---1) Bush is the President of the United States and the leader of the free world.
5) He had information from all sources all over the globe that Saddam was as major a threat as we all believed.
Saddam would be in power and the world would be in danger if not this year, then within 5 years.
I think my beliefs are better backed up with facts than the ranting I see by dems.
Doing what we have done stabalizes the region for a generation. I believe it was necessary, just, and done at the right time with the right president.
But who are those people besides these people and China. Why are they so anti western?
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AH HAH! I've just worked it out, fredster is *ACTUALLY* a secret green's operative, charged with the mission of building an SCO out of the republocrats for the next election cycle! 8)
After all, why else claim that total warfare is the *ONLY* alternative to oil dependance? ;D
--- Quote ---I think we all agree what the US did in Afgahnistan was justfied and necessary.
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Do you mean during the cold war, during the pipe-line negotiations, during the invasion, or letting local warlords take control? I just want to be clear on what "we all agree" on.
fredster:
--- Quote ---After all, why else claim that total warfare is the *ONLY* alternative to oil dependance?
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It wasn't total. It was isolated and it was strategic.
What exactly were the other options?
And to be honest, I kinda like my car, everything made of plastic, heat, and my job.
But maybe that's just me.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: fredster on February 01, 2005, 04:45:09 pm ---1) Bush is the President of the United States and the leader of the free world.
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That ended with bush turning his back on the free world to invade another country for what the free world knew was dubious reasons. Rice and powell stated in 2000 that Saddam was contained and his WMD capacity broken. But why remember the facts when war is so profitable
--- Quote from: fredster on February 01, 2005, 04:45:09 pm ---2) Bush didn't anticipate the threat to the level he should have, and was like the rest of us on 9/10/01, he didn't believe it would happen like it did.
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Really? I know of a CIA briefing handed to Bush on 6 august 2001 containing information that OBL was going to attack using hijacked jets. Rice mentions it in her testimony. I also know of a pet goat who might disagree
fredster:
1-5 your opinion, you are free to express it. I can't make much sense out of comments like :
--- Quote ---But why remember the facts when war is so profitable
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That makes absolutely no sense. It's cost us $200 billion +, and 1400 US lives. I don't know if you are a businessman or not, but I don't see ROI there, either political or monetary.
--- Quote ---Al quaida cells are now active in more countries then prior to 9/11.
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Really? Where are they Dexter?
--- Quote ---(By the way, did he react in that classroom on 9/11 like you expect a president to react? Yeah right)
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Maybe if we all filmed each other 24/7 we can find better examples. I dropped my coffee. I wonder if Michael Moore wants that clip?
If you watched his speech to congress after that, you might have a different view. It took about a 1/2 hour, and I think that's the way I want him to act. I think it will go down in history as one of the best speeches ever delivered by a president.
--- Quote ---Capture Osama? No
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Not yet. Not yet. And when he does should we take our ball and go home?
--- Quote ---I know of a CIA briefing handed to Bush on 6 august 2001 containing information that OBL
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"containing information on OBL" man, that's definitive. We should have closed down the US until we got to the bottom of that. Man. Wow.
--- Quote ---Intelligence was hand-picked to support an invasion whereas ALL intelligence should always be considered to give a more accurate overall picture of whats going on.
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Really? You know that for a fact or is it your opinion? I always like this one, because this intel came from a lot of sources. How does that explain Britian's involvement? Australia? You do know that there are more people in the CIA and FBI that report to congress right? You do know they report these things all the time to committees right? Huh. Guess Bush is more powerful that I thought and in control of a lot more than the US.
--- Quote ---didn't happen because al quaida 'hates our freedoms' it was because of US interference in the middle east
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Our interference was liberating Kuwait. Yep, we should have let them go huh?
Forcing people to live under a government they can freely change is a bad thing? It's better to let them go and have a dictator. Ok, I see the logic there. I'm sure they all got together and said, hey, Saddam is the man. Who needs all this voting and election stuff? This is really much easier.
--- Quote ---And please stop calling bushes policies pro-western, he does not represent opinion in Europe.
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And your opinion does? Your opinion only Dexter. Please stop saying you represent all of Europe.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: Dexter on February 02, 2005, 11:02:33 am ---And please stop calling bushes policies pro-western, he does not represent opinion in Europe.
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That's one thing, maybe the only thing, Bush has done right. He got the US back to being the US and not the muscle behind the UN and their corrupt, Eurocentric world. Europe is having a hell of a time dealing with the fact that we don't give a damn what they think, say, or do any longer and they can't do a thing about it.