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mr.Curmudgeon:
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--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on January 31, 2005, 10:54:44 am ---For example, here's a little history lesson for you.
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In return, here's a little advice for you: we don't need you to teach us things. That type of condescension is exactly why people around here are having trouble taking your posts seriously, even when they have valid points in them.
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I changed it. Let me know what you think of the article...
ChadTower:
I don't think it applies. There are some gigantic differences. We didn't have full military commitment in Vietnam. We have full control of Iraq, something we didn't have in Saigon (could have but didn't), and as such there isn't going to be any full out reprisals like in Saigon. Not to say they won't try, but they won't succeed.
Comparing this war to Vietnam, as much as people like Kennedy enjoy doing, simply is not a valid comparison. It's a scare tactic that they don't even realize is totally lost on anyone under 45 since US schools don't teach a damn thing about Vietnam.
Dexter:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517207
Quote in relation to the from an interview with british MP who has had experience of Iraq first hand....
"They're a farce. They're rigged. An election held under foreign military occupation is always, by definition, utterly flawed. But one which is held in the kind of conditions in which this one is being held is flawed beyond redemption. The facts are that it is simply impossible to hold an election when there is a full-scale war going on between the occupying armies and the resistance forces. The Sunni Muslim population, which if you add the Sunni Kurds and the Sunni Arabs together, is some 40% of the population, are deeply anxious about the way in which the occupying forces are deliberately trying to divide the country along confessional lines. The Sunni Arab population has boycotted the election almost in their entirety. The Iraqis living outside for whom security was not an issue, three quarters of them have voted with their feet and boycotted the election. Less than a quarter of the eligible voters have registered to vote and fewer still have cast their votes. So, this is a festival, a farce that's been held to validate the American-British invasion and occupation of Iraq. But it will not validate it, neither in the eyes of the world opinion, nor, more importantly, in the eyes of those Iraqis who are resisting the foreign occupation and the war will go on, I'm sorry to say."
Give them liberty or give them death. The numerous reports from foreign journalists of people being threatened with starvation if they don't vote, plus the fact that the vast majority of Iraqis want the US out but somehow managed to elect a prime minister who doesn't basically says it all. An election only america could have the arrogance to force on a culture.
As always I ask, who has the real democracy??
fredster:
"Scottish MP George Galloway has been one of the most vocal critics of the Iraq war. He was expelled from the ruling Labour Party in October 2003 after he was accused of encouraging British troops to disobey what he called "illegal orders".
Wow, now there's an impartial voice in the din. Wow.
Here's a view too -
http://www.husseinandterror.com/
Read it if you dare Dexter. Apparently you don't like seeing the other side, do you? What would convince you the Iraq war was necessary and has paid divdends for the future? Did you work for the UN and the OIL for FOOD program?
I love this quote
--- Quote ---The numerous reports from foreign journalists of people being threatened with starvation if they don't vote,
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Sure, Al-Jazera. Lots of impartial journalists there. Ever notice how Al-Jazera was right there with the terrorists to film the explosion of roadside bombs? Nice Dexter, Nice. Really great.
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001361.html
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on February 01, 2005, 02:27:54 pm ---Ever notice how Al-Jazera was right there with the terrorists to film the explosion of roadside bombs?
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You're parroting Rumsfeld now??
Al-Jazeera mostly plays the tapes given to them. If they have been present at roadside bombings, and or have captured them on film, I'm more apt to believe that is a factor of coincidence given they are the largest voice in Arab media, with one of the most significant coverage footprints in Iraq and these bombings occur somewhere on the order of 60-70 times a DAY. Don't get me wrong, I think Al-Jazeera has been less than helpful when it comes to Bush's agenda in Iraq. However, can you really fault them for showing the aftermath of U.S. bombs, insurgent/suicide bombers, etc?? If this sh!t was happening in your own backyard, wouldn't you want to see it too?
I suspect you are trying to isolate Al-Jazeera and discredit them solely because they report from a perspective that you disagree with. I find that completely ironic given the next quote from you:
--- Quote ---Apparently you don't like seeing the other side, do you?
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Well, do you?
mrC