WANTED: your tube readings

[menace]

I'm compiling a list of common arcade tubes and their resistance values across the vertical and horizontal coils.  My goal is to have database set up (excel spreadsheet) of tube values so that if you find yourself with more chassis than tubes, you can find a suitable donor tube and re-use those old chassis'.  Here's what i have so far:

Pentranic 1425
K7000 19"
G07
K4616
K7191
K4951

Sadly these are all in my basement (much to her dismay )

So if you have a hantarex, other wells gardner or whatever please get a reading next time you get a chance and send it to me and I will include it on the master list (which I will attach to the FAQ for future reference).

thanks!

edit: Summary of readings will be kept in the FAQ and I will update them as they come in to this thread

[SirPeale]

This is a great idea. 

Now if I can just figure out which setting on my multimeter is resistance...

[stevejt]

I don't know anything about monitors, but have about 20 games in my basement.  I didn't know it was that easy to swap chassis,  (from a compatibility point of view).  Seems like good information to have.  If it's easy, I would love to help.  Just tell me how, or link to a page that does.  Or if you are on Long Island, you are welcome to come measure away yourself.

Steve

[menace]

yeah i thought people would like to have this info and i'm surprised it hasn't been compiled to date considering how alot of this stuff is getting parted out and what not.  Here's what i did to get the values (i take no responsibility or even blame if someone elctrocutes themselves)

If possible i discharged the monitor--then measured the red/blue (for horiz) and yellow/grn (for vertical) using the 200ohms settings on the digital multimeter.

NOT RECOMMENDED:  where the monitor was in a game i unplugged the game, and measured the color points off the yoke to get the readings--without touching anything else.  worked fine--again not recommended and if you do do it--give the game time to sit (a few hours a t least) before trying this as i have no idea if there are normally errant voltages int he yoke when its off.

[Witchboard]

So it's okay to measure off the back of the neckboard after you discharge?

[menace]

after you discharge you should be 98% safe (there may be some residual charges left in the larger caps on the main chassis board) but yeah.  For the purposes of this info gathering i would need the yoke ohm readings--its usually 1 plug with 4 wires that can only be plugged in one way and is directly connected to the yoke of the tube.  found a pic on the web to clarify--not the best though...

[Witchboard]

Oh, okay.  I understand.  I'll dig around and see what I got.

[Ken Layton]

I have some more info on more models, but I also log the yoke wire colors (some makes/models use different colors), picture tube type number (and pin count) yoke dc resistance, etc. as it helps if doing an 8liners transplant.

[menace]

Excellent!  Send it along and I will add the info to the FAQ

[Ken Layton]

Here is the information I have so far and some models I have more information and some less info:

Sharp XM-2001:
CRT: Sharp # 510YWB22, 8 pin, 22.5mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapater: CR-31
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 15 ohms

Sanyo 20-EZ:
CRT: # 510UTB22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 50 ohms

Wells-Gardner 19K7600:
CRT: Phillips # A48ABK05X, 8 pin, 22.5 mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-31
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 13 ohms

Nanao MS7-20S (Sega # 200-5072):
CRT: Mitsubishi # 510WUB22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2.5 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: yellow & brown, 50 ohms

Wells-Gardner 19K4600 series:
CRT: # 19VJTP22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Vertical Yoke winding: 9 ohms

Wells-Gardner 19K4900 series:
CRT: # 19VLTP22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Vertical yoke winding: did not get to measure this

Electrohome G07 (19"):
CRT: # 19VJTP22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red (pin1) & white (pin 4)
Vertical yoke: Grey (pin 3) & Brown (pin 5), 50 ohms

Kortek KT-1420A:
CRT: Samsung # 51GGB95X-TG, 10 pin, 29mm dia. neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 50 ohms

Atari/A.D.I. "Disco" DMC2090DT:
CRT: Phillips # 19VMRP22, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 50 ohms

Hantarex MTC 900/E:
CRT: Samsung # 5109B22 or Toshiba 510UEB22, 10 pin
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke: orange (pin 5) & yellow (pin 6), 2.5 ohms
Vertical yoke: Brown (pin 1) & red (pin 2), 15 ohms

Ducksan (Merit type 20 old version):
CRT: Orion # A34JLL90X55, 8 pin, 22.5 mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-31
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 4 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 17 ohms

Hantarex MTC 9000:
CRT: Orion # A48JRV70X12, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: orange & white, 2.5 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: brown & red, 14 ohms
Zanen Electronics capkit # 802

Happ Controls KJ-1915:
CRT: LG # A48QAD220X, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2.5 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: yellow & orange, 15 ohms

[HaRuMaN]

Just a thought... if you're measuring coils...  aren't you going to need an impedance mesurement (Henrys) as well?

[Ken Layton]

No, I'm quoting DC resistance measurements for the yoke windings as most people here don't have or know what an "Impedance meter" is. Most people here do have an ohmmeter or multimeter handy. I'm just trying to keep it simple for everyone here.

[menace]

bless you for that 

[Ken Layton]

Additional model:

SHARP XM-1801
CRT: Sharp # 470NVB22, 8 pin, 22.5 mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-31
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow, 15 ohms
Yoke part number: H1394CE
Flyback part number: F1408CE (4111A)

[davidv851]

Would anyone be interested in having information like this to a posted in a more "permanent" home? I'd be willing to create a database for it but I don't wanna do it if nobody's gonna use it

Dave

[menace]

thanks david--Its in the monitor FAQ--and I hope it becomes a permanent home--if for some reason it can't be kept there then i'll drop you a PM.

[menace]

LOOKING FOR: Hantarex Polo 25"--if you have one can you send me the tube readings?

[Ken Layton]

Additional model:

Wells-Gardner 19K7300 series.

CRT: Samsung # A48KRD89X02, 10 pin, 29mm diameter neck
B&K Rejuvenator adapter: CR-23
Horizontal yoke winding: red & blue wires, 2 ohms
Vertical yoke winding: green & yellow wires, 14 ohms

This model is made in Wells-Gardner's Korea plant and has an additional model code on the chassis of WGZ1973-xxxxxxx (x's indicate frame style). This monitor also has a built-in switching power supply and does not need an isolation transformer.

[menace]

woops--almost missed that--updated.

[Mrjamma]

For the Hantarex Polo 25" monitor:


Hantarex POLO:

CRT is RCA # A63ADT10X05  10 pin
B&K Rejuvenator adapter is #23
Horizontal yoke  wire color  Orange / Yellow  1.7 ohms
Vertical yoke  wire color Red / Brown   5.7 ohms

[SavannahLion]

This is going to sound really stupid.

In a practical application, if you have a tube A but no board, how do you figure which compatible board goes with it?

I understand the CRT model in each monitor model is noted. But didn't one company leverage different CRT manufacturers and different boards for some of their monitor models? I remember reading about how one monitor model either came with the OEM or Zenith guts and swapping these are out of the question.

What I'm saying is. Isn't there the possibility that you can have Tube A in a chassis for Tube B? I might have at least one monitor CRT in my possession that seems to be missing any identication. I've had to extrapolate what it is based on the butchered board attached.

[Rickn]

Does this help?? If I only knew how to attach a file/spreadsheet it would make more sense.

By the way, most important is impedance, resistance is very mis leading with the most important thing Horizontal.

Your meter leads alone can sway these by an ohm or so.

You can actualy by an inductance/ capacitance meter for less than $50 I will have to find the website again and will post it later along with how to take the readings.

Meanwhile Standard Res yokes should read 1.0 to 1.35 mh horiz
Mid res .45 to .75
VGA around .3
Tri-res .24 to ,31
SVGA and lower .2 and lower

This is where some manufactures like K...t and N...t Screwed up. Don't follow this and overheated yokes and blown HOT's

Good Luck

Rick Nieman
www.niemandisplays.com


Size   Manufacturer   Man. Type   Pentranic #   Deg   DY Type   Freq   Pinfree   LH   Rh   Lv   Rv   Comments
14"   Chungwa   E2971B22         ZEC-960127   VGA   No   0.39   0.5   7.3   7.3   Acceptable for 14" VGA/SVGA monitor
14"   Phillips   M34EDC13X         AT1610/36/F04   VGA   No   0.37   0.5   5.5   5.7   Acceptable for 14" VGA/SVGA monitor
17"   Phillips   M41EEM211X360         AT6050/61    VGA   YES   0.39   0.5   7.8   3.5   Acceptable for 17" VGA/SVGA monitor
19"   RCA   M47AGW37X03      90   48F2EGB/00   VGA   YES   0.4   0.5   16.9   8.2   Acceptable for VGA monitor
19"   Chungwa   M48AHF11X01      90   DMX-0101C1   VGA   YES   0.38   0.6   7.9   3.7   Acceptable for VGA monitor
19"   RCA   A48AAB13X02   A48PNT11X   90   OE-9530   CGA   YES   1.8   1.9   28   12   Acceptable for 19V monitor CGA
19"   RCA   A48AAB13X02   A48PNT11X   90   DAG4183M   CGA   YES   1.95   2.3   27.4   12.6   Acceptable for CGA monitor
19"   RCA   A48AAB13X   A48PNT11X   90   DAG4079M   VGA   YES   0.4   0.6   4.8   2.7   Acceptable for 19V VGA monitor
19"   RCA   A48AAB13X   A48PNT11X   90   DAG4150M   CGA   YES   1.94   2.4   27.1   12.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
19"   RCA   A48AAB13X02   A48PNT06X   90   51F1TRZ/00   CGA   YES   3.12   3.6   23.3   11.7   D-Yoke is not acceptable with CGA
19"   Chungwa   A48AGY13X57      90   ZEC-72013C2   VGA   YES   0.39   0.4   7.4   2.9   Yoke for 20" VGA mon. with VGA chass
19"   Chungwa   A48AGY13X57      90   ZEC-72003   CGA   YES   1.89   1.8   28.3   13.6   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   DAR4125   CGA   YES   2.46   3.2   19.6   10.4   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   DAR4171M   CGA   YES   1.9   2.3   20.8   10.6   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   KDY3NE828Y   CGA   YES   2.4   2.9   19.8   11.5   For TV Skyworth we exchange harness
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   KDY3NE828Y   CGA   YES   2.4   2.9   70.9   44.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec      A51PNT12X   100   330P15202   CGA   YES   2.49   3   22.6   9.8   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   ZEC-980717   CGA   YES   2.2   3.4   84   50   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec      A51PNT   100   330P15202   CGA   YES   2.19   2.5   22.7   9.9   Acceptable for CGA monitor
20"   Amec   A51KQN011X   A51PNT09X   90   KDY3NEB26Y   CGA   YES   2.4   3   18.5   10.8   Harness is ready to Skyworth TV chass
21"   Zenith   A51ACB02X         CE-9540   CGA   YES   2.1   2.3   35.5   17.2   Acceptable for CGA monitor
26"   Mitsubishi      A66PNT   100   P666B10   CGA   YES   1.3   1.1   18.1   7.7   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   Phillips   A63AFW32X   A63PNT14X   100   DAJ5058M   CGA   YES   0.595   0.6   19.4   7.7   Acceptable for EGA/CGA monitor
25"   Phillips   A63AFW20X   A63PNT14X   100   DAJ5058M   CGA   YES   0.595   0.6   19.4   7.7   Acceptable for EGA/CGA monitor
26"   Phillips   A63AFW38X   A63PNT14X   100   AT6025   CGA   YES   1.34   1.4   18.2   8.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
26"   Phillips   A63AFW32X   A63PNT14X   100   AT6025   CGA   YES   1.34   1.4   18.2   8.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
26"   Phillips   A63AFW20X   A63PNT14X   100   AT6025   CGA   YES   1.34   1.4   18.2   8.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   Phillips   A63AFW32X   A63PNT14X   100   DAJ5025M   CGA   YES   1.29   1.2   19.5   7.7   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   RCA   A63ADT15X05   A63PNT13X   110   2G27009-05A   CGA   YES   1.2   1.5   17.7   5.4   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   RCA   A63ADT15X05   A63PNT13X   110   2G27007-515   CGA   YES   1.2   1.3   17.5   5.3   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   RCA   A63AHC26X   A63PNT12X   100   AT6025   CGA   YES   1.3   1.4   18.6   8.7   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   RCA   A63ADT15X09   A63PNT13X   110   63T1DVZ/00   CGA   YES   1.26   1.4   9.7   3.1   Not suitable for CGA
27"   RCA   A68AEG25X01   A68PNT18X   110   2G27007535   CGA   NO   1.2   1.1   20.6   7.4   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   RCA   A68AEG25X01   A68PNT18X   110   2G27007519   CGA   NO   0.94   0.9   20.1   7.3   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   RCA   A68AEG25X01   A68PNT18X   110   2G27007-30A   EGA/CGA   NO   0.6   0.6   20.5   7.6   Acceptable for CGA/EGA monitor
27"   RCA   A68AEG25X01   A68PNT18X   110   68Q2UB2/00   VGA   NO   0.24   0.3   23   9.2   Acceptable for VGA monitor. VGA only
27"   RCA      A68PNT15X      2G2701203B   CGA   YES   0.97   1.1   17.3   5.4   Acceptable for 29" CGA monitor & TV
27"   RCA   A68ADT31X01   A68PNT15X   110   2G27012-20B   CGA   YES   1.16   1.3   17.8   5.8   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   RCA   A68ADT31X01   A68PNT15X      68T1DSZ/00   CGA   YES   1.3   1.4   17.9   5.4   Acceptable for 29" CGA monitor & TV
20"   RCA      A51PNT12X      DAG4183M      YES   1.9   2.4   27.2   12.6   Vertical coils paralled connected
27"   RCA      A68PNT15X   110   68T1DSZ/00   CGA   YES   1.3   1.4   17.5   5.4   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AHD32X         368048-1   CGA   YES   1.3   1.4   17.6   7.2   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips   A68AHD32X   A68PNT22X   100   DAS6169M   VGA   YES   0.24   0.03   5.9   2.6   Acceptable for VGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AHB82X   A68PNT20X      DAS6078M   CGA   YES   1.38   1.7   19.5   6.9   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AGN32X   A68PNT20X      DAS6078M   CGA   YES   1.38   1.7   19.5   6.9   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AHB82X01   A68PNT20X      DAS6078M   CGA   YES   1.38   1.7   19.5   6.9   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AGN32X   A68PNT20X   100   DAS6095M   CGA   YES   0.9   1.1   19.4   7.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AHB82X   A68PNT20X   100   DAS6095M   CGA   YES   0.9   1.1   19.4   7.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
29"   Phillips   A68AHB82X01   A68PNT20X   100   DAS6095M   CGA   YES   0.9   1.1   19.4   7.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips      A68PNT20X   100   DAS6075M   CGA   YES   1.37   1.7   19.8   7.7   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips   A68AGL12X   A68PNT21X   100   DAS6054M   CGA   YES   1.32   1.5   14.5   6.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips   A68AGL02X   A68PNT21X   100   DAS6054M   CGA   YES   1.32   1.5   14.5   6.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips      A68PNT20X   100   368005-11   CGA   YES   1.38   2.1   17.9   7   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips   A68AHB82X   A68PNT20X   100   601418-001   CGA   YES   1.37   2.1   17.3   7.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Phillips   A68AJB82X/03   A68PNT22X   100   AT7027   CGA   YES   1.3   1.4   17.6   6.9   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68KTY161X      110   KDY4UW739F   CGA   NO   1.14   1.2   20   8.2   Yoke is not suitable with CRT
27"   Amec         110   YS-59293   CGA   NO   0.96   1.5   21.4   7.4   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68LGL061X   A68PNT23X   100   KY5UT423   CGA   YES   1.24   1.5   11.3   5.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68LGL061X   A68PNT23X   100   KDY5UT601M   CGA   YES   1.16   1.5   17.5   8.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68JXR195X   A68JUA68X   110   DYGU21M   CGA   NO   0.96   1   17.5   7.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68LGL061X   A68PNT23X   100   KDY5UTA   CGA   YES   1.31   1.8   17.8   8.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   KDY4VL888M   CGA   NO   0.94   1.1   20.6   8.6   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   KDY4VL876M   CGA   NO   0.97   1.1   24.4   11.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   KDY4VL826M   CGA   NO   1   1.2   22.7   9.8   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   DKY4VL706M   CGA   NO   0.97   1.1   24.2   10.3   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Phillips   A68AHD82X15         World Wide         0.942   1.1   18.07   7.2   
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A8OPNT32X   110   KDY4VL690M   CGA   NO   0.89   1   22.2   9.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Phillips   A80EFF272X53      110   AT6070/52   CGA   NO   1   1.1   9   6.3   Acceptable for CGA monitor
31"   RCA   A73AEJ10X01   A79PNT25X   110   79L1ULZ/01   CGA   NO   0.95   1.1   17.5   7.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   RCA      A79PNT25X   110   79L1UBZ/P   CGA   NO   0.95   1   24.3   9.2   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   RCA      A80PNT29X   110   79L1UBZ/P   CGA   NO   0.95   1   24.3   9.2   Acceptable for CGA monitor
32"   Amec   M80JUA06X   A80PNT32X   110   KY4VL055M3   CGA   NO   0.96   1   24.1   10   Yoke to close to set-up purity & conver.
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   KY4VL460Y   CGA   NO   0.95   1.1   24.1   10.3   Yoke to close to set-up purity & conver.
32"   RCA   A79AEJ10X01   A79PNT25X   110   89L1LLZ/03   CGA   NO   0.75   0.9   17.4   7.2   Acceptable for switchable EGA/CGA
32"   RCA      A80PNT29X   110   89L1LLP/00   CGA/EGA   NO   0.73   0.9   17.2   7.2   Acceptable for switchable EGA/CGA
32"   RCA      A80PNT29X   110   89L2UBZ   VGA   NO   0.24   0.3   6.1   2.4   Used above D-Yoke for 32V VGA mon.
32"   RCA   A89AFF15X03   A89PNT30X   110   89L2UQP/00   VGA   NO   0.23   0.2   14.6   6.4   VGA and SVGA 35V monitor
35"   RCA   A89AFF15X03   A89PNT30X   110   89L2UBZ   VGA   NO   0.24   0.3   6.1   2.4   Acceptable for VGA monitor
35"   RCA      A89PNT30X   110   89L1LLZ/03   CGA/EGA   NO   0.75   0.9   17.4   7.2   Acceptable for switchable EGA/CGA
35"   RCA      A89PNT30X   110   89L1ULZ   CGA   NO   0.95   1.2   17.6   7.2   Acceptable for CGA monitor
35"   RCA      A89PNT30X   110   89L1UBP/Z   CGA   NO   0.94   1.2   24.2   9.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
35"   RCA      A89PNT30X   110   89L2PRP   VGA   NO   0.29   0.3   7.9   4.4   Acceptable for VGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68JXR195X      110   KY9421M   CGA   NO   0.96   1   17.5   7.5   Acceptable for CGA monitor
27"   Amec   M68KTY167X         TLY15909F         0.96   1.4   24.8   9.3   Distortion
32"   Amec   M80JUA061X   A80PNT32X   110   KDY4VL690M   CGA   NO   0.89   1.1   22.3   9.6   Acceptable for CGA monitor
35"   RCA      A89PNT30X   110   89L1LLP/00   EGA/CGA   NO   0.73   0.8   17.2   7.1   Acceptable for EGA/CGA monitor
27"   Phillips      A68PNT22X   100   AT6027   CGA   YES   1.27   1.4   17.3   7.1   Acceptable for CGA monitor
25"   RCA   A63ADT15X09   A63PNT13X   110   63T1DVZ/00      YES   1.27   1.5   10   3.2   Sent to TECO for evaluation

[SavannahLion]

Does this help?? If I only knew how to attach a file/spreadsheet it would make more sense.

I can't say it does (not enough experience), but I'll tell you how to attach a file in exchange for what you put up. 

When post a message here, there's a link below where you enter your message labeled "Additional Options..." Click it and it expands into a menu. There you can browse and upload txt, jpg, gif, pdf, png or zip files smaller than 512K. You can pack your spreadsheet into a .zip and post it.

[Rickn]

Thanks hope the attachment helps.

Rick Nieman
www.niemandisplays.com

[Billy]

Sorry to bump this up but this is a great post. Has anyone added to this list?