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Some marines got a little gun happy...
Dexter:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 16, 2004, 02:52:59 pm ---Dexter is the reason we need the draft back.
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LOL Brilliant!
I won't hold my breath for the US to invade Ireland, we've no oil (we've a lot of turf mind, can you run SUV's on turf??)
Just remember the compassion shown to a wounded Lyndie England by the sand ******* as one poster put it, then edited.
Hoagie_one:
I dont believe that the US is in Iraq for The US citizens safety.
I also dont agree that we should be held to a higher authority by the world just because we are teh US. The scutiny is maddening.
However, just because i dont think the rest of the world should scutinize our actions, doesn mean that we should hold ourselves to a higher authority. It always looks good in teh end to be the better man...just dont get killed doing it. Which somehow may justify the killing.
I'm just babbling, sorry...the whole Iraq, and Bush mess is aggrivating.
Crazy Cooter:
Wow, I didn't expect this many replies so soon. It's not a political post really, so as long as we "discuss" rather than "argue" it should be fine.
I wasn't there, but that reporter was. He was right there. I think it's time we rotate some of these guys off the frontline. At no time should we be killing people indiscriminately. Why weren't those prisoners removed earlier? They were wounded and should have been given medical attention. Instead, we came back later and killed them. That isn't right. I really think we're in over our heads. Is this really what we want to be promoting? If our guys over there are getting this used to killing, maybe a draft is what we need.
Dynagod, It's not "anti-American" to care about people. Nor is it "not supporting our troops". Quite the contrary. These guys need a break. Do you think that the soldier who shoot the guy at point blank range would have ever thought he would have to do that? I doubt it. I think he should have some remorse though. If he doesn't than look at what we've done to him. Why do you think police get desk time after they've been involved in a shooting? It's to give them time to recoup and come to terms with themselves. In this situation, we've got those guys out there on the frontline for waaay too long. They're becoming numb to the whole situation of war.
"I support them and if they wanna shoot some dying sand on the ground "
That's some harsh words. Also the most racist thing I've seen on this site. Please edit your post so we can discuss this like adults.
Rotoman:
--- Quote from: Crazy Cooter on November 16, 2004, 05:00:12 pm ---Wow, I didn't expect this many replies so soon. It's not a political post really, so as long as we "discuss" rather than "argue" it should be fine.
I wasn't there, but that reporter was. He was right there. I think it's time we rotate some of these guys off the frontline. At no time should we be killing people indiscriminately. Why weren't those prisoners removed earlier? They were wounded and should have been given medical attention. Instead, we came back later and killed them. That isn't right. I really think we're in over our heads. Is this really what we want to be promoting? If our guys over there are getting this used to killing, maybe a draft is what we need.
Dynagod, It's not "anti-American" to care about people. Nor is it "not supporting our troops". Quite the contrary. These guys need a break. Do you think that the soldier who shoot the guy at point blank range would have ever thought he would have to do that? I doubt it. I think he should have some remorse though. If he doesn't than look at what we've done to him. Why do you think police get desk time after they've been involved in a shooting? It's to give them time to recoup and come to terms with themselves. In this situation, we've got those guys out there on the frontline for waaay too long. They're becoming numb to the whole situation of war.
"I support them and if they wanna shoot some dying sand on the ground "
That's some harsh words. Also the most racist thing I've seen on this site. Please edit your post so we can discuss this like adults.
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I agree that quote was way out of line.
I still think you're making some assuptions. I also don't think you can equate a police shooting to combat. Definitely not the same thing. And the logistics of rotating every marine, soldier and airman to a desk after they've shot someone would be hard to comprehend and impossible to do, not to mention illogical. I don't see anywhere where it states how long this Marine had been in zone...could have been 5 months or 5 days...and I can certainly imagine circumstances that even in 5 days might have resulted in the same action being taken.
The reporter (according to ABC News) stated that these wounded men HAD been given medical attention the day prior. I can't even begin to guess why they hadn't been detained and evacuated although I'm not surprised.
As I stated previously I think you have to step back and look at more than the '10 second' video version that we get via the news. Viewed with blinders on I can definitely see how reprehensible this can look. But having served as a Marine I can tell you its rarely that cut and dried.
For example, executing an enemy combatant that is kneeling with his hands raised shouting "God is Great!" is bad. However, if the previous 5 times you've attempted to detain an individual doing the exact same action they've tossed a grenade at you right after their shout, you probably have good reason to be a bit itchy on the trigger. And if it so happens that the imbedded reporter captures that 5th one on video you're gonna look pretty bad regardless. Again, I'm not justifying the action, far from it, I'm just saying we don't know enough to make that judgement.
RacerX:
I don't know what the exact situation was here, and I don't condone shooting a defenseless wounded person.
But that being said, I think it is pretty lame that some people are so ready to condemn this soldier without knowing everything he's been through or everything that happened in this situation.
None of us knows what this guy was going through or what his mindset was at the time unless we have been through combat. I have not, but I have seen how my grandfather was affected by World War II. His hands have shaken ever since just like Tom Hanks' character's did in the movie "Saving Private Ryan". And the war ended almost 60 years ago.
What I'm trying to say is that war changes a person. So please think about that before you post.
P.S. - I don't have anyone here specifically in mind when I say this, I just want every one of us to think.
Thanks for reading...