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DaveMMR:
Sigh.... it's not a political thread at least...
Marijuana should be legal, whether you love it or hate it. I say it only because, in everyday society, I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic.
Let me explain. People high on pot are generally quieter, less agressive, more laidback and show more attention at trying to hide their condition (paranoia). Often times my friends would be high and I wouldn't know until hours later when he/she told me.
Drunk people on the other hand are loud, more agressive, prone to fits of violence, and have no problem generally being disruptive. You can tell when someone's loaded from a mile away.
(Of course, that's just generalization but, on average, that's how I've seen people act on those substances.)
--- Quote ---BTW Cutting yourself (which I dont advocate, and is far worse than pot in terms of damage, and everything else) is legal, yet pot isnt. Smoking is legal, pot isnt.
This doesnt make much sense.
and cant a gun aimed at your mouth do more damage than a joint?
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Comparing apples to oranges... or in this case, weapons to recreational drugs.
geomartin:
Not that I advocate legalising pot, because I do not, but aren't the schools running around trying to medicate every little boy who shows an ounce of testosterone with ritalin? The schools make mood altering drugs available to children for free, as long as it is thier drugs ;D
Floyd10:
I know people who have gotten hooked on ritalin from ppl who sell it in our school... its sad, really
Crazy Cooter:
"in everyday society, I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic"
This is true... Even I have never been punched by a stoner. ;)
"I know people who have gotten hooked on ritalin from ppl who sell it in our school"
Is that stuff even addictive? It wasn't around (that I know of) when I was in school.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 16, 2004, 12:35:22 pm ---
Danny, you can't make this relative to other problems. Comparing one problem to an unrelated problem. It's a sad story you write about this 16 year old. I've seen that too. You didn't mention if the father was an addict. Drugs could have been the cause for a lot of this over and over. Drugs or drinking. Intoxicants in general.
Another good reason to keep new intoxicants out of the public domain. We can't control what we have that's already legal.
The only thing I hear from the other side in this issue is - well if you want to screw up your own life, go right ahead. Life sucks then you die. Be free to kill yourself. What does it matter?
Come on. It does matter. It matters to people around you who care for you. We have to something. Doing nothing is not an option. There is no future or upside to it.
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um, yeah. her family was old money. he was a doctor or an architect or something. her mum was a teacher. he was addicted all right, addicted to abusing his daughter. that's not what you want to hear though, is it? you want to imagine that she must have been trailer trash and so was bound to have a hard life. not deserved, but not surprising because her father was addicted to something hard-core as well. that it was the DRUG that lead to her problems, not society.
as i say, a lot of you even after it's been pointed out are missing the point. why did she take heroin? it wasn't just from hanging out with the wrong crowd, was it? if there were no illegal drugs around at all, she probably would have become an alcoholic instead. ended up being a bag lady or something and would have had no brain left. instead she did junk and had a hellish life. but at least her brain is intact. she' s a grief councellor now. even better would have been a society that could confront the horror of what her father did. one that could catch him out a lot earlier.
everyone loves statistics. well here's an interesting one. roughly one in four women will be abused as a child. and up to one in ten men. does that not make you sick? personally, at least two of my girlfriends were molested as children, and two others i had my suspicions about. are you ready to spend billions on a war on rape and child abuse? but what's the proportion of junkies to 'normal' people? not anywhere near as alarming. if you think it is alarming, i'm sad for you that you think the welfare of children is less important.
and what i'm talking about isn't the only reason people try and solve their problems with booze and/or drugs. the whole thing is a big grey area (that should get drews attention again ;) )for instance, one of my stoner friends had a very strict upbringing (again middle-class). father would never let him do any fun things or buy him much in the way of toys like his friends. my parents didn't buy me many toys either, but they DID teach me to be creative to amuse myself. he started smoking when he left home at 18 and hasn't stopped since. he's a guy. it's not at all macho to just let it all out to your mates. gotta bottle it up and be a man. by abusing himself like that he is saying 'i'll show you'. he tries to punish the world through himself. he drinks too. so if there were no illegal drugs, i actually think he would do himself (and potentially others) MORE harm by drinking even more.
to quote you again, fredster "Come on. It does matter. It matters to people around you who care for you. We have to something. Doing nothing is not an option. There is no future or upside to it." you are absolutely right. but fighting a war on drugs is like losing your keys in a dark alleyway and then going out to the well-lit street to look for them because you can see more easily. the answer is back in that dark alleyway.