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paigeoliver:
--- Quote from: Floyd10 on November 15, 2004, 01:02:45 pm ---
"People don't think that drugs have done any good for people. I disagree, and if you dont think that drugs have done anything good for people, then do me a favor. go home right now and take all your cds, and tapes, and records and burn them. because every good song, every song that has affected your life... reeeeeeeeeaslly f***ing high on drugs."
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Wow, it is a literal fountain of stupidity.
If you do believe that, then do ME a favor and go research musicians, the music industry, and drugs in the music industry and see how many promising artists, popular bands, and musicians in general have ripped their lives apart with drugs. For every Willie Nelson there are 30 drummers addicted to coke who live just on the edge of ripping their entire band apart.
I used to live with a couple musicians, and knew plenty of other ones, and the MAIN reason for kicking people out of bands was drugs.
shmokes:
I could be wrong Paige, but i think that there was a little bit of tongue-in-cheek going on in that argument.
Simply ignoring my serious and well-grounded arguments doesn't make them go away, though. We do have some common ground, ya know. Both of us see a very serious societal problem in drug use. As I mentioned above, the only drug I do is legal and readily available at the local liquor store. Access to marijuana is not a problem for me. I just don't care for it. I won't benefit directly from it being made legal. I also agree with you that it is physically harmful (as is sugar) and has a tendency to become a psychological crutch for many people and commonly affects their productivity and ambition negatively.
Don't make the mistake of digging your heels in based on a "us v. them" mentality. There's more than one way to skin a cat. I think I've presented fairly compelling evidence that my suggestions would work better than what we are doing. Your suggestions probably would too, but they would also introduce another element into society that would be clearly worse than the problem it solved. In the end, though, we have the sameish goal in mind.
DarkKobold:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 15, 2004, 11:26:32 am ---
I've done my share, that's for sure. It wasted years of my life for nothing and kept me from being more and doing more when I needed to do it. And for what? A few minutes of euphoria I can't remember?
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Wow, if this doesn't sum up the college experience.
Drinking, everyone does it. Same deal. Everyone obsesses over getting drunk. Too many of my friends claim a "bad" weekend if they don't get sloshed both nights. It started to really hit home recently (personal problems). I've stopped for the time being. I can't say that I've felt better in months.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: Jabba on November 15, 2004, 12:15:47 pm ---Isn't this about BYOAC???
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This part of the forum is 'everything else'
By the way, that comedian quoted was Bill Hicks, from his "Revelations" show IIRC.
Dexter
danny_galaga:
i think what a lot of people aren't getting, but shmokes, teef two, myself and others realise is that governments are concentrating too much on the problems people have with substance abuse (and BTW, alcohol and cigarettes by FAR kill more people than all the others put together) and not focusing enough on why people go off the rails.
i don't smoke, hardly ever drink and don't take drugs. in fact, i nag my stoner friends to try and get them past their teen years (and we're in our thirties now!). but i would never wish them to prison for what they do. many people can drink or smoke dope in moderation all their lives and never have a problem. many others are veritable whores for that next drink or smoke or hit. why the difference?
a lot of it has to do with family life. you guys that have said you used to do drugs but now don't and are warning floyd of the dangers. you are proof that drugs don't just turn you into useless stoners for life. you were rebelling, maybe there was some other problems that you were trying to mask. you got over it. now you don't do drugs. that's what happens to most people.
SOME problems are too profound to get over though. i had a girlfriend who was raped by her father until she was about 13. finally she couldn't take it anymore and ran off with a boyfriend. she ended up a heroin addict and was selling it on the streets by the time she was 16. i think there's a pretty obvious reason there why she took drugs, don't you? wouldn't matter how many 'mister bigs' you busted, or how many junkies you threw in prison or shot against a wall, it wouldn't have stopped her father raping her.
luckily she was upper middle-class and her mother came looking for her and sent her to a special school. she was on and off junk well into her thirties though. working at the london stock exchange didn't help matters as they are a bunch of coke-heads! when i met her she'd been off everything for maybe 3 years. unbelievably she even gave up smoking a year or so ago!! now that's tough work...
you are always going to have people that need help that isn't forthcoming. self-medicating with legal OR illegal drugs isn't the answer. But nor is ignoring that and declaring a 'war on drugs'.
BTW, she didn't smoke dope until in her twenties. found she didn't like it. so much for that simplistic idea of 'feeder' drugs or whatever it is it's termed- the idea that soft drugs inevitably leads to hard drugs.
oh, and i think jabba is right- it was bill hicks.