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Grasshopper:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 15, 2004, 02:08:26 pm ---There is nothing good about it. Nothing. The money you spend on it goes to people who do crime. It supports more crime. It brings people who do crime around you. It involves you and surrounds you in crime. It makes you into a liar and a slacker.
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You gave money to some body that eventually leads to somebody who will kill people in order to bring you your supply. There are real victims and consequences.
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Hmm, sounds like a good argument for legalising drugs to me.
If drugs were legalised (but tightly controlled) then you would remove the incentive for criminals to get involved in supplying them.
In any case the nightmare scenario you present us with (doctors high on drugs etc) doesn't tend to happen in countries that have a more liberal approach to drugs such as Holland.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 15, 2004, 11:26:32 am ---Shmokes,
We don't need to legalize any new intoxicant...So more people can be more screwed up and kill more people on the roads and in their homes? How about getting screwed up and burn down your house or spend the money on drugs and forget your kids? How about getting high and beating your wife or losing your job? Don't tell me that doesn't happen dude. I have lots of buddies from the 70's, lots.
That's what we need, more ways to get screwed up and not face life. Yep, great position. It's a choice - be alive and well and free or be dependent on something to get you through the night. great choice. Let's have yet another crutch.
Do you want your pharmacist on drugs? How about your doctor or your lawyer? I know, how about your taxi driver. After all, he was just sitting there and wasn't driving when he took a toke.
Great idea. NOT.
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Fredster,
I backed my assertions up with statistics. It's comical that you respond by saying how absurd my position is without even attempting to address what I actually said or discredit my statistics or suggest how I am misreading them. Go back up and click on the link, then come back here and level your arguments. The weight of the evidence is on my side. I don't want to legalize marijuana so that MORE people will use it. I want to legalize marijuana because the drug war is doing more harm than the drug. There is also significant evidence that legalizing marijuana would dramatically decrease the use of harder drugs, and quite likely the use even of marijuana itself. In addition to being counter-productive the drug war also costs billions and billions of tax-payer money.
Once again, go back up and click on the link.
--- Quote ---You are for gun control, but for people having drugs. Great postion, makes great sense. If everybody doesn't have a gun they can get high right?
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Speaking of making sense..... ??? What in the name of god are you getting at here?
And on the religion thing...I never suggested that religious people are against drugs while non-religious people are for them. I used religion as an example because I know that Paige is extremely religious, whereas I think that religion is, on the whole, harmful to society. I used it to illustrate how he might not like his policy so much if someone else was in power. Maybe someone who thinks that religion isn't such a good thing. It could have been people who build their own arcade controls too, I guess, only then I'd have to have myself shot too.
I don't see this as a republican v. democrat thing, or a religion v. athesim. Republicans and Christians don't have any monopoly over hating drugs.
fredster:
Smokes, I'll keep it simple.
Then why have more ways to destroy yourself legally?
I've been there. It's not worth it. Quote any made up statistics pot head professors you want, we don't need any more drugs.
Floyd10:
--- Quote from: Grasshopper on November 15, 2004, 03:14:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: fredster on November 15, 2004, 02:08:26 pm ---There is nothing good about it. Nothing. The money you spend on it goes to people who do crime. It supports more crime. It brings people who do crime around you. It involves you and surrounds you in crime. It makes you into a liar and a slacker.
................................
You gave money to some body that eventually leads to somebody who will kill people in order to bring you your supply. There are real victims and consequences.
--- End quote ---
Hmm, sounds like a good argument for legalising drugs to me.
If drugs were legalised (but tightly controlled) then you would remove the incentive for criminals to get involved in supplying them.
In any case the nightmare scenario you present us with (doctors high on drugs etc) doesn't tend to happen in countries that have a more liberal approach to drugs such as Holland.
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Im with you. There wouldnt be money going to terrorists if it was legalized. Just like how the mob was getting money off of alcohol during prohibition. The drug war hurts more people than it saves.
and btw, the comedians are satirists. if you dont know what that is, then Im shoveling in a snow storm.
locash:
--- Quote from: fredster on November 15, 2004, 05:08:28 pm ---...why have more ways to destroy yourself legally?
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Because without the ability to live our lives as we choose we are not truly free.