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mahuti:
My friend tom is a big anti-drug message. When he was about 22, he smoked pot so much that he burned a hole in his lung.
Ouch. no kiddin.
paigeoliver:
It has nothing to do with free will (btw, I am not Catholic, and I refused to vote for either candidate for moral reasons).
Selling pot at walgreens wouldn't solve anything. It would just be more expensive, and people would see it as even more acceptable, and thus even more people would dedicate their life to smoking it. No way it would be cheaper, it is incredibly cheap now. I was never a pot smoker, but I spent my time around the party scene, and pot is way cheap. Even part time minimum wage burger jockeys can afford to stay stoned ALL THE TIME.
As for the REST of the drugs. Sorry, your "free will" doesn't mean a darn thing to me when your breaking my car window and doing $500 worth of damage in order to steal a radio you can get $20 for, so you can spend it on crack from a guy who will later shoot a rival on the street and not care who else gets hit.
And you know what, I actually DO care if other people ruin their lives. I DO care about all my miserable, stoned, cracked out neighbors. And I really can't come up with any solution OTHER than to make using, owning, or selling drugs so terrifying that no one will be willing to do so.
The old testament of the bible is full of examples of God killing off LOTS of people to keep their wickedness from spreading and infecting others, which he did out of love, because it was the only solution, to let them live would have been worse. You might not like that idea, but it is biblical.
I'm done with this thread now.
Remember kids, just say no to drugs.
--- Quote from: allroy1975 on November 15, 2004, 12:24:32 am ---It's modern day prohibition.
If the government would sell drugs at drug stores (the *tamer* ones...i'm not talking about sniffing battery acid up your nose crystal meth), wouldn't that save a LOT of money and lives by having less *crime* on the street? In other words, you wouldn't have to buy it from some kid at school. You could get it at Walgreens. Have it be good stuff.
I'm very into this whole new American thing where people aren't responsible for themselves. If you wanna piss your life away on drugs, just stay in a room. it is YOUR life. PaigeOliver (who lives in a town where the catholic church said to vote for W or you're going to hell..but then W bombing the crap out of the guys with the nukes....err..never mind that train of thought....back over here --->) if I remember correctly attends church (of some sort...christian I think) but seems to think that people who don't beleive the same thing as him don't deserve free will. the hypocracy is amazing. To me anyway....
but i'm just a big fat dumb american.
BTW, I've never smoked anything, snorted anything shot up anything or ...whatever other ways you put that crap in your system. I don't do it, but if others want to, what right is it of mine to take that away from them?
Allroy
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shmokes:
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on November 15, 2004, 03:45:00 am ---The old testament of the bible is full of examples of God killing off LOTS of people to keep their wickedness from spreading and infecting others, which he did out of love, because it was the only solution, to let them live would have been worse. You might not like that idea, but it is biblical.
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Um...so your argument is that if god can do it so can you? Isn't that, like, a really dangerous (not to mention egotistical) thing to say. Lightning-bolts and stuff?
Don't get me wrong Paige. If I've got one thing going for me it's consistency. I pretty much thing that god, especially the one from the old testament (who strangely bares almost no resemblence to the one from the new testament), is a sociopath. It's not just wrong for you to kill indescriminately. It's pretty messed up when god does it too.
Seriously. You say that the only way that you can think of is make drugs so scary that nobody will do it, but you should really take a look at Holland. They used to have a serious drug epidemic going on. Since they switched to treating drug addiction like a public health issue rather than a criminal issue the problem has been steadily disappearing. In spite of marijuana being legal a significantly smaller percentage of the population there uses it than in America. They also spend much less money fighting the drug war than we do (not to mention the cost savings realized by not incarcerating half the damn population). Now, harder drugs, like Heroin and Cocian, are still illegal, but you don't get thrown in prison if you get caught using (for selling you would). They have, in fact, clinics where addicts can go and get clean needles and such and they work to try and break people of their habit.
The average heroin user there is now 35 and that average goes up every year. Young people there aren't getting started on these drugs in high numbers anymore. As the older addicts die out the average keeps going up.
Check out this page for some interesting statistics.
Link fixed - saint
HaRuMaN:
--- Quote from: GGKoul on November 13, 2004, 01:47:55 am ---
--- Quote from: Apollo on November 13, 2004, 01:38:42 am ---Ditto, if religion and alcohol were banned ( or had never existed ) imagine what an amazing world we would be living in. Just think about it for a while.
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Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
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That song kicks as*! APC! wOOt!
SOAPboy:
--- Quote from: Zakk on November 13, 2004, 10:22:11 am ---I'm with paigoliver on this one, I was in a 'group' that did nothing much else in high school than smoke up. Day in and day out, pot, hash, oil. 'Nutty butty' was 3 rolling papers smeared with oil, sprinkled with has and filled with weed. Sure, it was a blast at the time, but of that oh say 10 guys, there are 5 that I know of that are still doing it, and of them, 4 of them still live at home at 35, and the other (who was a smart guy), well his last brainstorm was to raise mice to sell to pet shops so that he could sit home and smoke and not have to work. He started down his road to financial independance with 2 mice. Hey, 2 mice don't have that many babies!
Moral of the story: They say that dope isn't harmful? Bull****. The guys into it are not right in the head. Even from my own perspective, I have trouble putting a sentence together without sounding like Ozzy Osbourne sometimes, and I used to be the most articulate person. It DOES do damage. I think it takes years to notice the change, but it is there. Smarten up when you're young and leave it be. (and jeez, oregano only smells like pot when it's lit, it doesn't even look like it!!)
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in the same boat.. was a major coke head in high school... almost flunked out, but i got my ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- together and graduated, went on to graduate college ect..
its really sad seeing people throwing away what could be great lives..
now, im not as hardcore about it.. i see NOTHING wrong with a little weed NOW AND THEN, but when its a habbit, theres the problem..