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| quarterback:
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on November 13, 2004, 01:53:43 pm ---You are describing what I refer to as "stealth-shifted" inputs. It's not as simple as you describe you need diodes and such as well. Can it be done? Yes Should it be done - probably not. --- End quote --- Thanks for the info Tiger-Heli |
| calicyco:
When daisy chaining an IPAC/4 - maybe you need a LOT of inputs for some reason - can you designate single inputs to be shifted key strokes? For instance, can I have a button on the machine that is SHIFT-1 that will not shift the entire key set. I would imagine so, but just want to clarify. Also, can this work for CONTROL and ALT key combos? I'm not sure if the keyboard interface can accept this, because those are two different key codes, shift then the button, correct? I doubt there's any need for that many inputs though, so perhaps this doesn't matter. Thanks everybody, this forum is a great place, can't wait to start building! |
| Matt Berry:
I couldn't see needing that many inputs, but no matter what when the special designated "shift" key is pressed all inputs are then shifted to thier alternate keycodes. Safest bet is to make all player controls the same regardless if they are shifted or not. The ipac works in the following fashion, all keys are sent when the button is pressed except for the designated shift button which is sent when the button is released. The reason this is important is you are only sending the key you want (1 key stroke) where as another encoder like the keywiz sends the shifted input plus the extra key (2 keys). So to get a shifted input you hit the shift then the desired button. You can put 2 inputs on one button (without the shift) but you must isolate them with diodes. |
| Tiger-Heli:
Ok, you are confusing three different terms - Daisy chaining refers to plugging an I-PAC/2 into the KB pass-thru of the I-PAC/4 to get 84 unshifted inputs. Stealth-shifted inputs refers to wiring a button with diodes and resistors and capacitors so the button sends the encoders shifted input rather than the standard input. Keyboard shift combinations refers to sending ALT-Key combos to accomplish specific functions and CANNOT be done with encoder shift functions. Now that that is out of the way . . . (Now I'm a little confused about what you are asking. . . --- Quote from: calicyco on November 16, 2004, 01:59:11 pm ---When daisy chaining an IPAC/4 - maybe you need a LOT of inputs for some reason - can you designate single inputs to be shifted key strokes? --- End quote --- Okay, if you daisy-chain the I-PAC/4 and I-PAC/2, you have 84 unshifted inputs. You would have to program the I-PAC/2 to some alternate codeset so it doesn't conflict with the /4, but it remembers settings, so that is no problem. If you want to know if you can still use stealth-shifted buttons to get 85 inputs (or not have buttons on your panel), yes, you can. If you want to know if you can have a button send ALT-F4 or something, read on, but yes. . . --- Quote ---For instance, can I have a button on the machine that is SHIFT-1 that will not shift the entire key set. I would imagine so, but just want to clarify. --- End quote --- NO! See earlier reply. Any button that sends a shifted input will shift the entire set for as long as it is pressed. If you only want one shifted input, you can work around this by setting all other inputs to send the SAME key whether regular or shifted. However, if you want two shifted inputs, you run the risk of pressing the button for Shift-1 and having someone else press the regular 2 button and the encoder sending Shift-2. Just one of the drawbacks of using this method. --- Quote ---Also, can this work for CONTROL and ALT key combos? I'm not sure if the keyboard interface can accept this, because those are two different key codes, shift then the button, correct? --- End quote --- You cannot really do this with stealth-shifted inputs (you probably could with a time-delay circuit, but it's out of my league.) You have two options, though. With the new Winipac IPD software, you can right-click on a button to assign up to a four key macro. Or, you can use a program like Ultra Keyboard to send Alt-F4 whenever Esc is pressed in SOME (but not all) programs. --- Quote ---I doubt there's any need for that many inputs though, so perhaps this doesn't matter. --- End quote --- Like I said initially, I don't see a need for more than 46. |
| Tiger-Heli:
Uh . . . . almost . . . --- Quote from: Matt Berry on November 16, 2004, 03:12:24 pm ---The reason this is important is you are only sending the key you want (1 key stroke) where as another encoder like the keywiz sends the shifted input plus the extra key (2 keys). --- End quote --- In normal usage, the KeyWiz has 32 inputs PLUS the Shazaaam! key. The Shazaaam! key normally sends no input so pressing it and another key only sends the 1-key shifted input (and sends it instantly on keydown as opposed to on key release with the I-PAC). There is a way to wire the KeyWiz so that the Shazaaam! key also sends an input when pressed by itself, and in this instance only, does the KeyWiz send two inputs. --- Quote ---So to get a shifted input you hit the shift then the desired button. You can put 2 inputs on one button (without the shift) but you must isolate them with diodes. --- End quote --- Yes but you also run the risk of sending F4-Alt half the time instead of ALt-F4, so you are better off using the WinIpac IPD macro feature. |
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