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TA Pilot:
--- Quote from: namzep on November 05, 2004, 12:29:45 am ---Drew, since you asked so nicely here it is. ;D The size of the dots in the counties indicates the average level of education of the population. Kind of an interesting correlation going on there.
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I thnk this is a population map.
Crazy Cooter:
If it was a population map, and the vote was split about 50/50, wouldn't the areas of the circles for the blue and the red be about equal? I'm not about to start counting them, but it's obvious to me that they're not.
Where did that pic originate?
allroy1975:
amazing that people think how people voted has anything to do with intelligence, unless you think like I think now...That everyone who voted for bush are stupid god fearing people. Well, at least we've put off the floods for a while....for the love of god I hope the gays can't get married.
This is the 1 issue that really gets me. I'm not gay.
Can someone explain to me why gay people have different RIGHTS than straight people do? Because the bible says homosexuality is an abomination? hmm...well, I don't beleive in your bible. I went to a catholic grade school and I seem to remember that people left other countries to come to the "new world" (that's what they referred to it as in grade school) to get away from people who were opressing their religious freedoms. But I guess the gays should just know that they're horrible beings (people have rights..like marriage...but gays don't...so ....are they still people?) and kill themselvs....but thats a sin too...so I just don't know.
And speaking of religious wackos....let me get this straight....Welfare is bad...right? because jesus said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" I may be paraphrasing there...because these losers milking the system need to buck up and take responsibility for themselves. They need to raise their children the "right" way. And...we need to ban gay marriage, because then your kids will see it and think it's acceptable. So we need the government to ban that for us because we can't tell our kids they're abominations ourselves if they end up being gay.
I hate these people. I haven't been sleeping well since this last election. I get all riled up like this and I start going off like Bevis jacked up on coffee and sugar.
Stupid or intelligent isn't the issue. Educated or uneducated isn't the issue.
I think the issue is are these people open minded enough to think about other people, and their lives/lifestyles. All the Bush people care about is themselves. Their kids aren't dying. Their kids aren't being oppressed. All they know is that god said voting for someone who's pro-abortion (and check the last time a republican did someting to try to outlaw abortion...they're not ANTI abortion....they can just SAY they are and then people go....Okay....duh) is a SIN! If the church says it, that's god saying it right? god wrote the bible? it's the "inspired word of god"?
It's all too wishy washy for me. Drives me nuts thinking about how straight people are against gay marriage. I think from now on if there's a "Straight issue" only the gays should be allowed to vote on it. Or at least 10 gay votes to ever 1 straight vote. The problem is...the gay people I've known in my life seem a little nicer and more open minded and they'd still probably make the right choice!
Whatever....close minded ......grumble grumble..... <---hehe...I sound like that little guy in Zelda....remember him? heheh
Anyway..it's late and I just ranted...so I'm too tired to go back and make sure it's not offensive to anyone.....but I can't imagine being offended...so...I'd probably be a bad censor anyway.
I have no idea what I've said so I can't be held responsible (how american!) and I hope it doesn't get me banned from the boards! :)
Allroy
DrewKaree:
I'm not giving you a pass or anything, because you have some strongly held beliefs, and I know once you get started writing, it's hard to stop the "train of thought" once you get it moving. I'm only gonna point out some things that don't match up - meaning they seem to address the issue, but due to how the law works currently, don't actually address the problems.
Also, I noticed that you don't have a bias or opinion, as you said here:
--- Quote from: allroy1975 on November 07, 2004, 02:35:10 am ---...unless you think like I think now...That everyone who voted for bush are stupid god fearing people.
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;)
--- Quote ---I went to a catholic grade school and I seem to remember that people left other countries to come to the "new world" (that's what they referred to it as in grade school) to get away from people who were opressing their religious freedoms.
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I don't know which book you are referring to, but the book I read where they were speaking of the "new world"....they were looking for spices or some such thing. You may have read a different (read: newer) version than I had. They were sent by people who believed rather remarkably similar ideas as they did.
--- Quote ---And speaking of religious wackos....let me get this straight....Welfare is bad...right? because jesus said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" I may be paraphrasing there...because these losers milking the system need to buck up and take responsibility for themselves.
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I'm thinking these words all belong together, but I'm not positive. So the "religious wackos" should read Jesus' words to "do unto others", and that should be their logic to accepting welfare?
While living in Jesus' day, those less fortunate in society were taken care of by the church. Do people abuse the church to get by? Certainly. You've missed in your assessment the fact that religious people believe that it is still up to the church, and that the abuse of the system is something that government FOSTERS. It also is something the government doesn't give anyone the choice on. It's done. Period. The point of disagreement is that it's the government's job to do something about it.
Your view that "religious wackos" believe welfare is bad seems predicated on the notion that those same "wackos" don't care about their fellow man and are too ignorant to take what Jesus said to mean that welfare is good. Those "wackos" see the continuing erosion of anything relatied to religion and see the abuse of current systems in place. They add up what they see, and can easily see looking after your fellow man is increasinly becoming an impersonal non-caring process - Loving your neighbor as Christ commanded has no place in "welfare". If you have any doubt about this, I implore you to visit your local AFDC office.
What most "wackos" would base their welfare views on are this, which does not refer to those who cannot do for themselves
"We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat."
Do with that what you may.
--- Quote ---So we need the government to ban that for us
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They need to work within the legal system. Would you have them do otherwise? If the church could do these things themselves, they may have. There are also churches that most certainly would NOT. By working within the law, the choice of the people is considered - using government, as you see it.
--- Quote ---I hate these people.
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although they don't hate you (although some fringe element DOES), didn't you ask them to follow the "do unto others as they've done to you"? Intolerance works both ways.
--- Quote ---I think the issue is are these people open minded enough to think about other people, and their lives/lifestyles.
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By open minded, do you mean to imply that you're open minded enough to think about those "religious wackos" and their lives/lifestyles? I ask that, because the majority of the vote on the issue went against it. Are you open minded enough to consider that a majority of the people voting on this might have points you haven't considered, or points you may agree with? I ask because "open-minded" doesn't seem to be, by your definition. You have stated that you believe these people haven't opened their mind, but the words "hate", "wackos", and your general attitude belie a definite opposition to doing the same towards their way of thinking.
--- Quote ---All the Bush people care about is themselves. Their kids aren't dying. Their kids aren't being oppressed.
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I'm sure this is the emotion speaking. To believe Bush voters don't have children dying sounds quite emotional. They aren't being killed for their sexual orientation, but they give their lives to defend the right of those oriented differently than they to argue about this subject in the first place. Oppressed? The last time I checked, gays were allowed the opportunites anyone else was...except the right to marriage.
--- Quote ---All they know is that god said voting for someone who's pro-abortion (and check the last time a republican did someting to try to outlaw abortion...they're not ANTI abortion....they can just SAY they are and then people go....Okay....duh) is a SIN!
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again, I believe it's the emotion. You'd have to find that justification in a book you don't believe in. That's quite simply not in there, it's an opinion you believe about "those wackos". To vote for someone isn't a sin. Honestly, if you believe those "wackos" are so "by the letter", then you'll also believe (and sorry, this comes from a book you don't believe, you'll just have to take my word on it) that they believe that leaders and teachers of the law will be judged more harshly when the time comes to face judement, and that they're just "trying to help bring less judgement down on them". Sound silly? It is.
--- Quote ---If the church says it, that's god saying it right? god wrote the bible? it's the "inspired word of god"?
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No, it isn't God saying it if the church says it. The other two are correct for a lot of religions, but again, you lump every religion into a pile. Also, please see the "harsher judgement" thing. I'm not positive, and I'm sorry to use the religion you were raised with, but I don't recall any bible saying that sodomizing little children is a godly act. I am not well versed in NAMBLA's doctrine, but it seems as if that IS something they believe in.
--- Quote ---I think from now on if there's a "Straight issue" only the gays should be allowed to vote on it. Or at least 10 gay votes to ever 1 straight vote.
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Again, emotion, as I don't believe you'd agree with only "pro-smokestack" people voting on "pro-smokestack" issues. While you may think these are two different things, your idea to have only those who would predominantly agree on an issue be the final say is the same as my example.
The reason you would put something up for a vote would be to have it accepted by a majority. To have the minority be the final voice is to circumvent the "will of the people". I may not always agree with the vote, but that's why we have a voice, a vote, and the ability to speak our minds to work to sway public opinion the next time it comes up.
--- Quote ---...but I can't imagine being offended
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While I'm not offended, and you've offered the lateness of the hour as your "out", to think that on such a controversial topic you can't imagine offending someone is to demonstrate that you are NOT, in fact, as "open-minded" as you'd like to think you are. Please don't take this as a slam, I'm just pointing out something I don't think you considered.
allroy1975:
The problem with me writing lots of stuff on a rant like that is I say a lot of stuff..then you come back point by point..and then I get lazy and quit reading it. I think I got through most of it, but I don't feel like responding to anything but the last point.
Is there something you could say that's so horrible that I would be "offended"? Simply put: No.
Everyone has the right to think whatever they want. If you think I'm a Smelly bag o dookie, that's fine. It's your right. I can see it. I have my bad points and if someone doesn't like me or agree with what I think, that's totally up to them to feel and express. If someone wants to talk to me about a porno movie or anything else, I will not take offense. I may be stunned by their doing so, but offended? to think that I'm so perfect that everyone should think and feel like me, and be able to read my thoughts and blah blah blah...that's just stupid. People just need to lighten up and consider other people.
Whatever..I have to go hang shelves or my old lady will kill me.
Allroy