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Around 100,000 Iraqi dead
patrickl:
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--- Quote from: Dexter on October 29, 2004, 09:33:15 am ---'The world' had no say or part in Saddams removal or the death of 100,000 innocents, as the unilateral invasion was outside the mechanisms of the UN.
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patrick seems to be under the impression he has countrymen in Iraq, danny may also know a few of his countrymen over there, and a few of the Brits here may know of a person or two that have that "funny" english accent over there.
It's amazing to me how "unilateral" means something completely different to you.
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I must be missing your point or it makes no sense. Did the Dutch or Australian army invade Iraq? I don't know about the Australians, but our army was asked to fulfil a humanitarian and policing role and they decided to help out. This was after the "mission over" claim.
In fact we should indeed have been invited (and been there) before the "mission over" claim since Bush apparently forgot that after the "mission" was over, there was another mission that he needed to get over with.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: Mameotron on October 30, 2004, 04:12:29 am ---I traveled to England, Scotland, & Wales about 8 years ago. At that time I couldn't believe the signs I saw all over the place warning people to report any suspicious packages or any unattended boxes or briefcases left out in the open. It seems that the threat of terror has visited Europe far sooner than it has come home to me at the US.
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Yeah, we have had terrorism threats here for decades. Sometimes terrorism against americans, but since it's hard to get to the US with a bomb they just try to take out americans outside the US. So they bomb targets in europe. It's not really a big deal. Of course it sucks if you (or your loved ones) are on the receiving end of this, but it happens so rarely and you cannot do anything against it, that it's a waste of time to even worry about it.
--- Quote ---Last year I traveled to London, Paris, Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Norway. I still feel safer from terrorist threats in the US than anywhere in Europe.
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And then to think that the terrorist threat in europe is even minimal. You are much more likely to get killed by many other reasons than terrorism in any safe (non muslim?) country. For instance, aren't there like 50.000 people dead every year in traffic accidents in the US?
I actually felt a lot less safe during my stays in the US. Not because of terrorist threats, but because there are so many shootings in the US. I don't remember the exact figures, but wasn't it like 15.000 firearms related homicides per year? That alone is already way more than the 600 (or so) terrorist deaths globally. Even the number of firearm deaths in the US of close to a 1000 deaths annualy (which I was told is negligent in another thread) is higher than the total number of people who die from terrorism globally per year.
Why is terrorism such an item? Partisan politics of course. Keep em scared and say you are the only one who can help. Even if your actions show you only make things worse, words seem to speak louder than actions. Even while Bush has brought the US to an economical, moral (and what not) low point in ages people still consider voting for him.
Santoro:
I would argue that terrorism is 'such an item' because it is mostly preventable. Individual murders will always happen.
(I would be interested in per-capita figures for murder in different countries. The numbers you threw out there seem big, but everything is relative.)
Crazy Cooter:
--- Quote from: Santoro on October 30, 2004, 07:20:13 pm ---I would argue that terrorism is 'such an item' because it is mostly preventable.
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Think so? Do tell... the entire world is listening...
Santoro:
--- Quote from: Crazy Cooter on October 30, 2004, 10:29:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Santoro on October 30, 2004, 07:20:13 pm ---I would argue that terrorism is 'such an item' because it is mostly preventable.
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Think so? Do tell... the entire world is listening...
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Um...
Rooting out terrorists by overturning states that support them. Applying economic pressure on countries to stop the madrassas from inciting religious fanatacism. Seizing terrorist assets. Covert ops. Infiltration. Tracking the coming and going of visitors to the US, fingerprinting them. Strengthening surveillance abilities.
Sound familiar? Oh, yes, my President is doing these things. Kerry would not.
It will take 20 years, but large scale organizations like Al Quaeda can be eliminated. You won't stop small groups of wackos, but you can get the ones capable of 9/11 style attacks.
Why, you feel there is no way? How very defeatist of you.