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Lost: 380 tons of high explosives - Last seen in Iraq
patrickl:
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on October 27, 2004, 02:30:04 pm ---...and said "dangerous weapons" are now in the hands of terrorists with the compliments of George W B. opposed to in safe storage.
They were taken from storage before US forces arrive.
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Well they were stolen at least after 15th of march 2003 and the Iraqi's said they were there after the US came by (who just passed by this complex with 1000 buildings)
But then it's not really important when they were stolen. Much more important is the fact that Bush claims he was going to war to put a stop to terrorism. It now seems the terrorists are up by at least 350tons of high explosives due to his invasion.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: fredster on October 27, 2004, 02:33:16 pm ---You plan as best you can, but you don't have a freaking crystal ball. All this talk of a 'plan' that contained contingentcies for every occasion is rediculous.
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Of course I understand you cannot plan ahead for every contingency, but wouldn't it make sense to at least be prepared for the "contingency" that you actually win the invasion? The US forces were not trained for this "contingency" at all (at least that's the excuse they gaave when hell broke loose). Our troops were trained for months on how to deal with the Iraqi's. The US forces should have had similar training, but Bush was in too much of a hurry. I'm not blamingh the military. They were trained to fight and that they did well. If they had some backup police forces or training how to do it themselves for after the war things would have gone a lot smoother. Just a few monthes could have made a huge difference and have cost a lot less deaths.
--- Quote ---Don Rumsfeld is not a terrorist.
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But then Saddam didn't have any terrorist friends either. Well the palestinians loved him, but that's about it.
TA Pilot:
Well they were stolen at least after 15th of march 2003 and the Iraqi's said they were there after the US came by (who just passed by this complex with 1000 buildings)
The were -certainly- not there 8 May 2003 when the Iraqi Survey Group showed up.
Of course, no one has explained to me how insurgets that dont yet exist move ~40 truckloads of explosives out of a facility under US/allied control.
But then it's not really important when they were stolen
Like hell its not.
If they were "stolen" BEFORE US troops showed up then there's no way anyone can blame the asministration for it. The original NYT story leaves the reader with the impression that they were recently stolen; had they printed the WHOLE TRUTH then there would have been no story at all.
Much more important is the fact that Bush claims he was going to war to put a stop to terrorism.
Um... you people keep telling us Bush said the war in Iraq was all about WMDs. make up your mind.
It now seems the terrorists are up by at least 350tons of high explosives due to his invasion.
The Iraqis --always-- had access to these weapons, and the ability to give them to the terrorists whenever they wanted to.
TA Pilot:
The US forces were not trained for this "contingency" at all (at least that's the excuse they gaave when hell broke loose).
Incorrect.
the troops in question were not tasked with securing the compound - their mission was to go to Baghdad.
This has nothing to do with training; it has everything to do with the mission at hand.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on October 27, 2004, 02:50:14 pm ---The were -certainly- not there 8 May 2003 when the Iraqi Survey Group showed up.
Of course, no one has explained to me how insurgets that dont yet exist move ~40 truckloads of explosives out of a facility under US/allied control.
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Isn't that just the point that they didn't have it under control?
--- Quote ---Much more important is the fact that Bush claims he was going to war to put a stop to terrorism.
Um... you people keep telling us Bush said the war in Iraq was all about WMDs. make up your mind.
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You people? Can't he have 2 reasons. Or more even. "War on terror" and "keeping WMD from terrorists". I don;t really see the distinction though.
--- Quote ---It now seems the terrorists are up by at least 350tons of high explosives due to his invasion.
The Iraqis --always-- had access to these weapons, and the ability to give them to the terrorists whenever they wanted to.
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Yeah, but then there is no proof he wanted to do so (or ever did) so we have to assume he wasn't going to do that. But then who needs rational thinking when a nuke could go off any minute in NYC.