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The Clinton gun ban has expired!
tep0583:
--- Quote from: shmokes on September 17, 2004, 07:18:13 pm ---Don't be sensitive. I didn't call you retarded.
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Calling my arguement "retrarted" isn't doing the exact same to the reasoning behind it?
Perhaps I AM getting sensitive.
OK, let's simplify. What EXACTLY can you buy now that you could not buy last week, that makes any rifle more deadly?
What form of gun control is going to significantly reduce gun crime and why do background checks not accomplish this? (well, not satisfactorally enough for those caling for more)
At what point does everybody get to be happy?
At what point do I stop being treated like a criminal?
tep0583:
--- Quote from: rchadd on September 17, 2004, 06:23:14 pm ---as a Brit living in the UK - i am glad not to live in the USA
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And I am glad for you.
I am equally glad that you took time out of your busy day to take yet another swipe at the US.
My God, would there be ANY evil left in the world, if the sinister Americans went away?
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: tep0583 on September 17, 2004, 07:31:16 pm ---My God, would there be ANY evil left in the world, if the sinister Americans went away?
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All forms of Religion would be next. (I use the words 'would be' because America is never going away, unlike the fading empires of Rome, and the UK)
So, in a way the USA isn't just protecting the world's supreme government, but it's protecting the world's supreme being.
God, Guts, and Guns, the three that set us free.
tep0583:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on September 17, 2004, 07:51:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: tep0583 on September 17, 2004, 07:31:16 pm ---My God, would there be ANY evil left in the world, if the sinister Americans went away?
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All forms of Religion would be next. (I use the words 'would be' because America is never going away, unlike the fading empires of Rome, and the UK)
So, in a way the USA isn't just protecting the world's supreme government, but it's protecting the world's supreme being.
God, Guts, and Guns, the three that set us free.
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Maybe, maybe not. I see a lot inmodern America that make me wonder just how long we really have left.
(OH, BTW- nice way to slide the Nuge into the conversation)
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: hunky_artist on September 17, 2004, 05:36:29 pm ---And yes, we have strict gun control laws, and yes, we have less gun murders than you do.
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Interesting how your country's strict gun control laws haven't managed to stop murder-by-gun...and by the BBC's account, that number is increasing. Since you haven't addressed it, I'll quote the article here. Remember, this comes from your own country, not some "made up" American drivel:
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"Sunday, 12 January 2003
Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.
There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year.
That represents an average of 27 offences involving firearms every day in England and Wales, with guns fired in nearly a quarter of cases.
Overall crime in the year to September was up 9.3%, with domestic burglary up 7.9%, drugs offences up 12.3% and sex offences up 18.2%.
Home Office officials insisted, however, that the new system of including all crimes, whether there was supporting evidence or not, was responsible for some of the increases.
When that new recording system was taken into account, overall crime rose by 2%, they said, with burglary up 5%.
Home Office Minister John Denham also pointed to new data from the British Crime Survey - which includes crimes not reported to the police - which he called the most reliable indication of trends.
The survey put all crime down 7% in the year to September.
"The British Crime Survey shows crime has been falling since 1997 and the risk of being a victim is very low - around the same as 1981," he said.
The statistics come after the government this week announced a crackdown on gun crime with a series of plans to tighten firearms law.
And they are released ahead of high level talks with police, customs and community leaders on Friday about how to tackle gun crime, hosted by Home Secretary David Blunkett.
The latest gun crime figures are more than double the 4,903 firearms incidents recorded in 1997 when Labour first took power.
The biggest increases are in the large metropolitan areas.
Robbery was up 13% on the adjusted figures.
But it did fall by 10% between July and September when the government's new efforts against street crime kicked in, said officials.
Earlier this week the government unveiled plans to introduce a five-year minimum jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm.
That was followed on Wednesday by plans to ban anyone carrying a replica or air weapon in a public place without a good reason, as well as new age limits.
Opposition parties have accused ministers of mounting a snap response to the New Year shooting in Birmingham in which two teenage girls died.
Conservative shadow home secretary Oliver Letwin dubbed the new recorded crime figures "truly terrible".
Mr Letwin said: "The only word for this is failure.
"The government's response of knee-jerk reactions and initiatives is not working and confused signals on sentences for burglary will not help either."
Mr Denham denied the government had rushed into new plans against gun crime.
He said said rising gun violence was only a small part of overall crime but was "desperately worrying", especially for the worst-affected areas.
Liberal Democrat spokesman Simon Hughes said the gun figures meant tougher targeting of gun-toting gangs was needed.
Mr Hughes added: "The overall crime picture is not a cause for complacency, but it is mercifully not a reason for shock headlines."
Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down".
Hundreds of people gathered on Wednesday for a candlelit vigil in Aston in memory of cousins Charlene Ellis, 18, and Letisha Shakespeare, 17, who were gunned down in a hail of bullets nearly a week ago.
Also on Thursday, a coroner opened and adjourned an inquest into the death of Charlene.
Mr Duncan Smith joined calls for people with information about the shootings.
"We do need co-operation with the police because we have got to catch these killers," he said. "They have committed an appalling crime."
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It's reported that crime is falling, yet gun violence is increasing.
Thank goodness you guys decided to be the guinea pigs for the rest of us so we could see how great it's working out for you ::)
--- Quote ---rchadd - as a Brit living in the UK - i am glad not to live in the USA
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You're not the only one. I'm glad you don't live here. One less vote for your point of view, although we DO love it when you visit...don't hesitate to do so...just change that money with the funny pictures on it to normal U.S. currency. Bring danny_galaga with you when you visit....he's a hoot!
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