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The Clinton gun ban has expired!
shmokes:
Only the most ridiculous of fanatics does not believe in gun control. I suspect that everyone here believes that many weapons should be banned -- illegal to sell, illegal to buy, illegal to own. Grenades, Sarin Gas, Bazookas, land mines, C-4.
The constitution doesn't guarantee the right to bare guns, but the right to bare arms. Certainly, all of those weapons listed above would be considered arms, as well as dozens of others that we would all agree should not be available for sale or purchase. And if the second amendment entirely prohibits the government from interfering with the trade of arms, that restriction on the government powers would apply to all of those weapons as well as assault rifles. But everyone here, including the gun nuts, should understand that the rights in the second amendment, like the rights in every other amendment, are not absolute. There are exceptions to freedom of speach, religion, press, jury trial, search and seizure, speedy trial, etc.
I suspect that we all believe in arms (gun) control. We just draw our respective lines in different places.
hunky_artist:
--- Quote from: Buddabing on September 14, 2004, 12:32:32 pm ---
--- Quote ---Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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I respectfully disagree. Guns do kill people. For every story about someone defending him/herself with a gun, there are probably twenty stories about four-year-old girls accidentally killing themselves with guns, or "heat of the moment" type killings that wouldn't happen if they didn't have guns, or people shooting their own kids coming through the window, or people blowing away drunken, lost Scotsmen who are knocking at the door. That's why there are no guns at my house and my kids aren't allowed to go to anyone's house where there is a gun.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is poppycock.
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perfectly said. You just saved me typing all that in. :)
I understand target shooting as a sport, I did it in the RAF cadets. I enjoy shooting rifles and guns at targets. It's a skill.
But why anybody other than people who use them in the military would actually want, or should be allowed to own a firearm is beyond me.
(and don't give me that 'it's so we can defend ourselves and our country,and take our country back from an opressive government' crap... you have that now and i dont see any of you taking to the streets)
SirPoonga:
--- Quote from: hunky_artist on September 14, 2004, 06:30:40 pm ---But why anybody other than people who use them in the military would actually want, or should be allowed to own a firearm is beyond me.
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See my statement :)
SirPoonga:
Actually, you know what is going to piss me off. Having a ban on assault rifles or not isn't going to change anything. It isn't going to make crime go up or down. Criminals will use whatever weapons they have available. You could still get assault rifles even during the ban, you just had to work hard for it.
What's going to piss me off is the first crime that is committed with an assault rifle they will blame on the ban lift. That if the ban was still in place the crime would not have happen. Yeah, whatever. The person would have used a normal gun then. Wouldn't make a difference if the crime would have happened or not.
The only thing it will effect is the number of crimes now commited with assault rifles. But the crime would have still taken place. A normal rifle you can buy is just as dangerous.
Now, if oyu made the guns and the ammo used for the guns (NATO rounds, etc..) expensive to the public that would be a different story.
Tailgunner:
--- Quote ---I understand target shooting as a sport, I did it in the RAF cadets. I enjoy shooting rifles and guns at targets. It's a skill.
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I do too. I also enjoy owning my own weapons. Did the cadets let you customize a weapon till it fit you like a glove? I can do so with any of mine.
--- Quote ---But why anybody other than people who use them in the military would actually want, or should be allowed to own a firearm is beyond me.
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It's about self-determination. Our constitution recognizes the right to bear arms as a natural right, like free speach or public assembly. It's not a privilege granted by the government, therefore it cannot be taken away. Since our populace is so well armed, a government that tried such a thing would be deposed.
--- Quote ---(and don't give me that 'it's so we can defend ourselves and our country,and take our country back from an opressive government' crap... you have that now and i dont see any of you taking to the streets)
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We're a pretty tolerant bunch, and our government doesn't have the brass to try and outlaw our weapons outright.
This does get me thinking though.
There's been a million man march, and a million mom march and nobody paid any attention.
I wonder if they would notice if a million armed citizens marched on Washington. We have both the manpower and firepower to assemble 10 times that. ;)
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