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patrickl:
I guess you guys complete missed my post since I only read replies that didn't make any sense.
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on September 22, 2004, 08:09:40 am ---Self defense is the stupidest of them all since you will not have your gun handy when you need it anyway.
Tell me:
If the right to arms isnt about self-defense - then what?
--- End quote ---
That's just my point. There is no valid reason for it other then "I want to own one (and I will start crying if I can't)".
--- Quote from: Mameotron on September 22, 2004, 07:00:45 am ---Our government was founded on freedoms, and the CHOICE to own a gun is guaranteed by anyone who lives here.
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He, he, you do realise that in the US you probably have the least freedom of any democratic country don't you? Anyway, as I said I also have the right to own a gun, I'm just glad that (at least over here) not every idiot has that right. I also wonder why you don't have the right to driver your car as fast as you like? Why can't you have sex in public places? Why can't you drink alcohol when you are 16 years old? And more on the subject why can't you ask your docter to end your live humanely instead of needlesly suffering from a terminal disease for weeks/months.
The biggest hoot:
--- Quote ---Maybe if you take off your blinders and try to look at the other side of the argument you just might.
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You have got to be kidding me. I do look at the other side and I understand where you are coming from. I make up dumb reasons why I "need" to do something that I'm not allowed. All you do is make up reasons to validate your wish to own a gun. You really have no compelling argument why you should own a gun. The only reasons I see coming over and over is that is is your right and that you dream that one day you will foil a robber (of course you won't and you know it if you allow some thinking on the subject). Maybe you guys should think past "I have a right" and think of a real reason ... ah, but that's just it ... there is none.
Face it, the only reason you want that gun is because you ... well ... want it. Be happy that you got one and that your government doesn't have stricter laws on them. There is nothing wrong with wanting something, but don't give me some lame excuse why it is impossible for you not to own a gun.
I would like to drive 250km/h on the open roads. It is my right! Why the hell can't I do that? Damn that government and their blinders! See the other side of the argument! I will be on location twice as fast so come on let me drive that fast. Hell even a few years ago we were allowed to drive that fast so why not now? Does that sounds like a dumb argument? Hmmm .... I wonder why.
fredster:
PatrickL,
Don't you live in the Netherlands?
How do you know how free we are in the US? TV?
I don't think that anyone who hasn't spent years in a country can judge all aspects of it's culture. Each country's culture is based on it's history and it's values.
This to the people of the US is a right, not a privilige. It's a way of life.
Start taking this and that for the good of the many. It starts as a trickle and ends in a flood. We start chipping away at rights and before you know it, you don't have any rights.
It's a broader issue than if we "need" them or not. Next it could be something else.
In the US we tried great social experiments like Prohabition. It didn't work either. It caused more problems that it solved.
If the other countries like their laws regarding guns, fine and dandy. That's great.
But why go and flamebait the US over gun control?
TA Pilot:
That's just my point. There is no valid reason for it other then "I want to own one (and I will start crying if I can't)"
Ok. let me put this differently:
What are the legitimate uses for a firearm?
Why can an "assault weapon" not effectively be used in in any of the things you listed?
He, he, you do realise that in the US you probably have the least freedom of any democratic country don't you?
Specifically - in what terms?
Anyway, as I said I also have the right to own a gun, I'm just glad that (at least over here) not every idiot has that right.
Good news: same here. Not everyone has the right to arms in the US.
You really have no compelling argument why you should own a gun. The only reasons I see coming over and over is that is is your right
Hmm. In the US, we dont havwe to justify the exercise of our rights. Do you have to do that where you live? You consider yourself free?
Maybe you guys should think past "I have a right" and think of a real reason ... ah, but that's just it ... there is none.
Like I said:
List the legitimate reasons to have a gun
Tell me why an "assault weapon" cannot be effectively used for that purpose.
I would like to drive 250km/h on the open roads. It is my right!
You have no right to drive on the roads, perriod - mush less at any particular speed.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: patrickl on September 22, 2004, 05:55:44 pm ---I guess you guys complete missed my post since I only read replies that didn't make any sense.
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on September 22, 2004, 08:09:40 am ---Self defense is the stupidest of them all since you will not have your gun handy when you need it anyway.
Tell me:
If the right to arms isnt about self-defense - then what?
--- End quote ---
That's just my point. There is no valid reason for it other then "I want to own one (and I will start crying if I can't)".
--- End quote ---
The police can't stop all the crimes from being committed, but we still need them.
A gun doesn't have to be in your hand to defend you. It is impossible to know how many crimes were not committed because the criminal was afraid of getting shot.
I'm bored of guns war and government.
Somebody have a fresh idea to debate.
hunky_artist:
this is going nowhere.
Let's just agree that in The States guns are needed to feel safe against a more violent criminal aspect which more often than not is armed... and in Europe and elsewhere guns are not needed as more often than not criminals don't have guns for the reasons listed. For your average crime they don't need them.
we'll be here forever otherwise going round in circles.
Americans are happy wanting guns to feel safe and I'm happy not wanting guns to feel safe.
we're all different :)
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