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patrickl:
Always funny to see how much americans love their guns (or at least some of them) What's even more funny is seeing how they (the same people?) go berzerk if they see a nipple on television or if someone smokes a joint.
--- Quote ---I must admit that if you are ever put in a situation where someone points a gun at you, it completely changes your outlook on gun control.
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What's even more scary is that many people are actually threatened with their own gun.
--- Quote ---More people die from cars, than guns
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But then cars do serve a purpose and guns don't.
The way I see it is that if a burglar expects people to have a gun he will be much more on alert and will actually be very likely shoot the people he robs the instant he gets caught. Over here (netherlands) it's quite unlikely that a robber will carry a gun since he doesn't need one to "protect himself" and the extra risk of getting caught with a gun is a useless risk to take. When only criminals have guns it really still is much safer for the general public.
Gun related deaths counts are probably mostly useless. I'd say 90% of the people who get shot (and killed) over here are criminals themselves.
Quoting gun related crime figures is even more silly. Those also contain people carrying replica guns and such.
RacerX:
--- Quote from: patrickl on September 20, 2004, 05:10:46 pm ---
The way I see it is that if a burglar expects people to have a gun he will be much more on alert and will actually be very likely shoot the people he robs the instant he gets caught. Over here (netherlands) it's quite unlikely that a robber will carry a gun since he doesn't need one to "protect himself" and the extra risk of getting caught with a gun is a useless risk to take.
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Actually, the robber is more likely to just pass the house and go on to the next one if he thinks the homeowner has a gun. Think about it. Are you going to go into a house where the person inside has a gun and wants to shoot you?
I didn't think so.
TA Pilot:
More people die from cars, than guns...ut then cars do serve a purpose and guns don't.
yeah. Thats why they're protected by the Constitution.
(warning: strong dose of reality follows)
Guns exist to kill people. There are times that people need to kill other people. Thats why we have guns.
The way I see it is that if a burglar expects people to have a gun he will be much more on alert and will actually be very likely shoot the people he robs
But in the REAL world, criminals stay away from situations they know are dangerous to their life and limb. Thats why they dont try to mug policemen.
Over here (netherlands)
Oh.... a Europeon. That explains a lot.
See, here in the US, we believe that people have the right to defend themselves, with deadly force if necessary - and this right can be exercised individually or collectively. Far too many of you Europeons have forgotten this right, and have turned into cowering slaves to fear.
it's quite unlikely that a robber will carry a gun since he doesn't need one to "protect himself" and the extra risk of getting caught with a gun is a useless risk to take.
Psst...
Criminals dont carry guns to 'protect themselves'.
They carry them to makle their crime easier.
Its a lot easier to rob, beat, rape and murder people when you have a gun (or any other weapon) and they don't.
When only criminals have guns it really still is much safer for the general public.
Except everywhere its tried. Guns are tightly controlled, if not banned, banned in most large US cities; large US cities have crime and murder rates as much as 15x higher than the national average.
Of course, this is because criminals dont obey the law, and theefore have an easvy victim in the person that does.
Gun related deaths counts are probably mostly useless. I'd say 90% of the people who get shot (and killed) over here are criminals themselves.
Interestingly enough, a large % (~1/3) of murderers and a large % (~1/3) of those murdered come from the same demographic: Black males ages 18-25. Go figger.
Quoting gun related crime figures is even more silly. Those also contain people carrying replica guns and such.
Yeah. Just ignore what you dont like to see - I mean, who cares if it contradicts your argument, right?
Dartful Dodger:
TA Pilot, please stop trying to help.
TA Pilot:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on September 20, 2004, 07:34:47 pm ---TA Pilot, please stop trying to help.
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Huh?
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