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The Clinton gun ban has expired!
fredster:
By comparison, the flu kills 36,000 Americans a year.
Should the flu shot be manditory?
TA Pilot:
According to the FBI, in 2002:
14054 total murder
9369 by firearm (66%)
480 by rifles (3% total, 5% of guns)
Assuming that EVERY murder w/ a rifle was committed with an "assault weapon", you were:
368% more likely to be murdered w/ a bladed weapon (1767 v 480)
139% more likely to be murdered w/ a blunt object (666 v 480)
194% more likely to be murdered w/ personal weapons - body parts (933 v 480)
Seems to me there are lots of OTHER things we need to worry about before we talk about banning 'assault weapons" again.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/xl/02tbl2-10.xls
hunky_artist:
umm, cars do need to be registered.. and in order to own and use a car you DO need a license.
stop trying to get around it by saying 'on private property'
TA Pilot:
umm, cars do need to be registered.. and in order to own and use a car you DO need a license.
I dont have to register a car that I own. I only need to register it if I want to drive in on the roads. If I dont use the car on the roads, it never, ever needs to be registered.
I dont have to have a driver's license to own a car. I only need a driver's license if I want to drive it on the roads. if I dont drive the car on the road, I dont ever have to have a license.
stop trying to get around it by saying 'on private property'
Why?
If you're going to treat firearms like cars, then the restrictions will only apply when you use (not transport) a firearm on public property - just like for cars.
Buddabing:
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on September 20, 2004, 08:27:13 am ---However there were only 323 defensive gun uses resulting in death.
And how many that didn't? Its been estimate dby the USDOJ that in 97% of defensive gun uses, the weapon isnt fired. If 1 in 20 firings results in a death (and thats AWFULLY high), thats over 200,000 DGUs/year.
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Wrong.
Debunking of your 97/98% figure
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Although this can't be quantified, many of the 11348 homicides by gun and the 16869 suicides by gun would not have happened if guns were more tightly regulated.
Tell me:
What 'tight regulation' would have stopped them?
And you admit your claim can't be quantified - of what use is it?
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"Tight regulation" is of the use that some unknown number of people would not have died.
It's true that someone hell-bent on killing themselves or someone else will succeed. It's also true that guns are a convenient and easy way of doing so.
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Don't you think that guns, killing roughly the same number of people as cars, should be regulated roughly equally?
I agree. Treat guns just like cars:
-You dont need a license to buy a car.
-You dont need a license to own a car.
-You dont need a license to operate a car on private property.
-You dont need a license to transport a car on public property
-You dont need to register a car to own it.
-You dont need to register a car that is operated on private property.
-You dont need to register a can to transport it on public property.
-If you ARE licensed to drive on public property, that license is good in all 50 states on all (applicable) public property
-If your car IS registered for use on public property, the registration is good in all 50 states on all (applicable) public property.
-You only need to insure a car that you use (not transport) on public property.
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That's pretty funny!
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How about mandatory ballistics "fingerprinting"?
Useless. You fingerprint my gun, I'm changing the barrel.
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Not useless.
Most gun owners don't have your expertise. The average gun owner loads his gun and keeps it in a drawer somewhere and never takes it out for target practice or even to clean it.
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