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1000 Reasons not to vote for GW
shmokes:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on August 26, 2004, 11:55:26 am ---we're waiting for France to lead the charge, or at least a coalition of the willing.
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Really, when did we develop an aversion to acting unilaterally?
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: shmokes on August 26, 2004, 03:01:46 pm ---Really, when did we develop an aversion to acting unilaterally?
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a few years ago, I heard. Something about "Save a horse, ride a cowboy" and all.
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Mameotron:
--- Quote from: shmokes on August 26, 2004, 11:25:48 am ---
--- Quote from: danny_galaga on August 26, 2004, 09:26:43 am ---actually under Saddam women enjoyed much more freedom than those in say, Iran. Saddam wasn't big on the religeous side of things. his foreign minister- Teriq Aziz for instance, was a christian!! . Iraqi women could go to uni, didnt have to cover up and even were allowed to drive cars :o Not including the happless Kurds of course. Those poor ---daisies--- have been bombed and attacked by the British, the Turks AND Saddam.
As for corporal and capital punishment, don't they also chop off hands, heads etc in many other middle east countries too? like Dubyas pals in saudi arabia?
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;) I'm so disappointed you beat me to that Danny.
Mameotron, I don't think Saddam was a nice guy. When I referred to him as harmless I meant that he was harmless to us, and to his neighbors, for that matter.
But when it comes to his own people Saddam was a damn good leader as middle eastern leaders go. Already women in Iraq are resigned to the fact that they will no longer be able to attend Universities. What in god's name were we thinking to turn Iraq over to be run as a religeous state? In five years Iraq will be another Iran. Before Saddam Iraq was in turmoil. He kept things relatively calm. He ran a secular state and was extremely progressive on civil rights (including women's rights), as middle-eastern countries go.
If you want to talk about going to war with a country over poor civil rights, where are we with our friends in Saudi Arabia (considering all your examples -- women's rights, chop off hands, etc.) seem to have come from there?
Where have we been in Sudan, where our politicians refuse to use the word genocide since that would essentially commit us to sending over forces and correct the problem. The attrocities going on in Darfur are seriously discusting. Check it out. Iraq was nothing -- a shell of a nation. They were a threat to nobody. Saddam had incorporated more western ideas, secularism, relatively equal rights, etc. than the vast majority of middle eastern countries. We are there for a grudge and oil.
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OK, let me fan the flames a little more. I happen to think this article sums it up nicely.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40159
EDIT - heehee, I just read the article (link on right top) about Allah and his spiders.
Mameotron:
Dammit, DrewKaree, the more I read your posts the more I realize I actually agree with you on a lot of things...
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: Mameotron on August 27, 2004, 07:13:00 am ---Dammit, DrewKaree, the more I read your posts the more I realize I actually agree with you on a lot of things...
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be careful. he's trying to draw you into the 'dark side' :o
and besides, drew runs like a girl...