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1000 Reasons not to vote for GW
fredster:
Danny,
Bayer's research headquarters are in the US. That's where the money is at. They charge us so your healthcare in can be cheaper. See? We are paying for all the research. And that's one company. Not the 100's of other biotechs here in the US, which was my point in the first place. The bulk of research isn't done in a socialist or communist setting, it's done in a capatalistic country for money.
Your second link does more to prove my point than anything I could have wrote.
--- Quote ---Cuba was the US 5th largest trading partner. the Us was their largest. how would YOU fair if suddenly your biggest trading partner (could that be CHINA by the way?) decided they didnt like you anymore?
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- We could probably get all of our jobs back making those cheap stuffed animals and McDonald land funmeal toys. What a loss.
As far as Cuba, keyword there: was the US 5th. Now they can't even afford good boats to escape Castro. When you look at pictures of Cuba, see any new cars from in there? Does that point seem to escape from this discussion? There are people escaping cuba on rafts because it's so bad. They are trying to get to the USA on anything they can. Why is that?
How about this one :
--- Quote ---to deny a country its revenue and THEN say 'look, their system doesn't work' is extremely childish.
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We call that foreign policy. You should look at your countrie's foreign policy and see just how similar they are. It's how the world works.
I have to say about Gun Control: No. We have enough. We have enough laws now, no more. Now I know you will correct me if I'm wrong, but in the UK, did they not continue regulation of guns until now the government went in and confiscated all the guns? Now they can't have any?
Personally, I'd like to see a law that says we can't pass anymore laws unless we get rid of one, maybe two.
I didn't see bowling for columbine, and probably won't. I don't see where we all should have fully auto weapons. I did see 'red dawn'. That's more in the sprit of what I am talking about. That's what the founding fathers had in mind. They thought that if the new government became too oppressive, at least people could form militia and take care of it. Some people have tried that. We know who they are (were).
There is only two things we ever really talk about. Time and Money. Who's time and / or who's money is all we really discuss.
I'm kinda swaying on the national healthcare thing myself to be truthful. There's a lot of old guys at my work who can't retire for fear something will get them between the years Social security and Medicare start. I can be swayed if the plan is right and the costs are offset.
And I'm not attacking Canada or the Canadians. I'm just saying that their system isn't our system. They have decided their way and we have decided ours. We have a traditional system setup that works. It has flaws, but so do the other systems. We are used to the flaws and we try and fix them.
How do I know this? Well, I have had cancer and chemotherapy, my wife has a nurological disorder that has almost taken her life, we had a child and paid all the bills there, and I had my appendix blow up one night. Plus numerous car wrecks and stiches, etc. My family's total lifetime medical bills are probably hitting close to $700,000 dollars American. So I know a little about it.
I pay a lot of money personally for medical costs / insurance. Between my work's insurance and medicade taxes it comes out to well over $550 a month. (That's like $675 Canadian or $620 euros isn't it?). I'll quote the Beatles on this one - "so you say you want a revolution, well, we'd all love to see the plan"
Either way, it's the US that votes for the President of the United States. It's our business, and that was my basic point. We decide who's best for us, and we argue about it. You decide who's best for wherever you are at. We don't talk about your politics and you don't talk about ours. I think that's very fair.
Some people think that the President went too far. Some say he didn't do the right thing. I've heard it in every adminstration I've been living under.
The last (and I mean last) thing I will comment on in these threads is the cheap shot -
--- Quote ---this sort of attitude is why people like to fly planes into your buildings.
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There were over 3000 people who died that day Danny. They weren't soldiers, they weren't politicians, they weren't evil. They were people like you and I who were at work making the money to get buy. A group of very commited fanatics who hate everything the west, and that means Austrailia too, stand for kill them. They cut the throat of women on planes with knives and killed innocent children. They didn't like our helping Israel and how we don't bend down before them.
Unlike some of you, I never forget that. It's the whole reason we are in this mess. If you all the Americans here want to take the chance that Kerry will continue the war on terror or do something Bush cannot, then by all means, vote your heart.
But I remember the President's speech on 9/18/01. It was the best speech I have ever heard from any president. I believe that he is not acting out of any personal gratification or any vendetta. I don't get the same vibe from Kerry. I personally feel like he's a very political animal that is running for Kerry, not the people like GW is.
That's my last word.
shmokes:
Fredster,
For the last time, nobody is refuting the fact that our forty year boycot of Cuba has had a significant effect on the country. We are informing you of the fact that the country still exists after forty years. We are refuting your claim that a 30 day boycot of Canada would "bring their civilization to an end."
And while people of other countries cannot vote in our elections, surely you understand that they have a reasonable interest in American politics. I like to think that American politics have some effect on the rest of the world. We seem to take a great deal of interest in who will be the president of other countries. Take Iraq, for example...
Speaking of Iraq...what exactly does Iraq have to do with this "war on terror" you are so concerned with. You were taken with the 09-18-01 speech, but President Bush shifted the focus a bit, didn't he. If I understand correctly it is Saddam Hussein who was captured, not Osama bin Laden. If I understand correctly the bulk of our military is devoted to Iraq, rather than Afghanistan and the Taliban. Shortly after our country recieved the most devastating attack in its history our leader decided to virtually ignore the attackers to bring war on a harmless country who's leader he held a grudge with. Not to mention the blind eye he turned and continues to turn on Saudia Arabia, for obvious reasons (not the least of which being his family's pocket books), in spite of the fact that they supplied nearly all of the 9/11 murderers.
I don't see how Kerry could possibly do a worse job in the war on Al Queida.
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: fredster on August 22, 2004, 09:48:47 pm ---
--- Quote ---Cuba was the US 5th largest trading partner. the Us was their largest. how would YOU fair if suddenly your biggest trading partner (could that be CHINA by the way?) decided they didnt like you anymore?
--- End quote ---
- We could probably get all of our jobs back making those cheap stuffed animals and McDonald land funmeal toys. What a loss.
As far as Cuba, keyword there: was the US 5th. Now they can't even afford good boats to escape Castro. When you look at pictures of Cuba, see any new cars from in there? Does that point seem to escape from this discussion? There are people escaping cuba on rafts because it's so bad. They are trying to get to the USA on anything they can. Why is that?
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Have you ever been to Cuba? As a Canadian, I've been there many times on holidays. What a beautiful country. Yes, they are a poor country. But everyone in Cuba is on a equal playing field. Education (Even University), Health Care and a bunch of other services are paid for by the State. The main industry is tourist from Canada, Europe & Asia. I can tell you, that as soon as the boycott is lifted, your going to see more and more hotels pop up and it's going to ruin the country. Do you know they have am exact replica of the US Senate Building in downtown Havana? It's something to see...
--- Quote from: fredster on August 22, 2004, 09:48:47 pm ---
--- Quote ---How do I know this? Well, I have had cancer and chemotherapy, my wife has a nurological disorder that has almost taken her life, we had a child and paid all the bills there, and I had my appendix blow up one night. Plus numerous car wrecks and stiches, etc. My family's total lifetime medical bills are probably hitting close to $700,000 dollars American. So I know a little about it.
I pay a lot of money personally for medical costs / insurance. Between my work's insurance and medicade taxes it comes out to well over $550 a month. (That's like $675 Canadian or $620 euros isn't it?). I'll quote the Beatles on this one - "so you say you want a revolution, well, we'd all love to see the plan"
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I've glad your feeling better... But at a Canadian, you wouldn't have had to pay a thing. Regardless if you use the system or not. Sure I pay for a system I may never use, but at least I know if I need to... it's there.
And even though we may pay more in taxes to have a public health care system.. your actually paying more out of pocket considering your Insurance & Medicade costs.
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shmokes:
--- Quote from: GGKoul on August 23, 2004, 10:34:53 am ---even though we may pay more in taxes to have a public health care system.. your actually paying more out of pocket considering your Insurance & Medicade costs.
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I already covered this, GGKoul. You don't pay more in taxes for your healthcare system than we do. You just have a system that doesn't suck. You pay less in out-of-pocket AND you pay less in taxes. Look at the first figures in those statistics I gave earlier. The U.S. gov't spends more of our tax money, per capita, for healthcare than the Canadian government spends, per capita, on its citizens. And the U.S. citizen, of course, still pays WAY MORE out-of-pocket for our healthcare than our northern neighbors. It's ridiculous. But the REALLY wierd thing is that we're actually PROUD of it. We're proud of the fact that others pay one price for something and we pay three times as much for the same thing.
mrhowell:
Isn't the First Amendment great? God bless the Second Amendment too. Bush in '04.