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1000 Reasons not to vote for GW
Dartful Dodger:
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Yes...the measure of a good leader is one that the rest of the world views as extraordinarily dangerous and actively wants to see removed from power. Hitler being a good example of this.
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If Bush is such a threat you should take him out by force, you don't have to go across the ocean to do it, like we did with Sadam.
You can't because, you don't have any guns, and you have accepted the mass murder of unborn children so you don't have the population to form a big enough army. Well maybe those gays you're allowing to marry can have enough children to protect you.
Yes, all is going to plan, soon Canada will be ours(you can keep Quebec)
shmokes:
Fredster, you ought to consider a course in tact. Your post is not only filled with inaccuracies, it's filled with not-so-nice inaccuracies.
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 11:51:26 am ---GGKoul,
Your interest in American politics is wonderful. It's likely much more interesting than the Canadian politics for sure. Not only do Canadians not really care for their politics, neither does anybody else.
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Perhaps you should take a look at what percentage of Americans vote in our elections before getting all high-and-mighty with another country. Our voter turn-out is no better than Canada's.
--- Quote ---As far as the quote, "As over 30% of Americans think Canadian is south of the US". I have to say that over 60% think Canada has the same business ethics and technical prowess as China, only 3000 miles closer.
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Much like the U.S. children in canada can only work on farms, in restaurants, and in home-based businesses. Maybe (or maybe not, for all I know) they import products from countries that use child labor, but the U.S. certainly has no place to be critical there.
--- Quote ---You don't have any gun problems because you are barred from having them. You have health care and you pay most of the money you make to take care of that. (We do too, indirectly with insurance premiums. ) You also have to find a doctor that speaks your language in order to get the proper treatment, because the good ones all come to the USA.
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They're barred from having handguns and assault weapons. Canadians hunt more than Americans. We also bar many dangerous weapons. We can't buy bazookas, grenades, m-16s, rocket launchers, flame throwers, etc. So their line is in a slightly different place than us. We both have Gun Control.
And by any measure Canada's medical system is better than ours. And cheaper. Whether paid for by taxes or insurance premiums, it costs far less plain and simple. They have a lower mortality rate, infant mortality rate, death caused by medical error. The only bragging rights Americans have for medicine is that we get to pay the most for it. About 10 or 12 countries have us beat everywhere else.
--- Quote ---We in the US have what you call an "abortion" issue because some of us still have some moral fibers left. We have degraded to the point we can't understand right and wrong or take a stand on issues.
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Don't lump me in with your so called high-morals. God's all-powerful you know. If he needs your help, he'll ask. Pro-life is an immoral position and making abortions illegal is an unworkable solution. And for whoever it was that said that abortions are legal in California and illegal elsewhere, I suggest you take a look at Roe v. Wade. It's illegal for a state to ban abortions.
--- Quote ---As far as free speech, you may find that you are not allowed access to all the news outlets the US has. Fox has been "banned" in Canada, etc.
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If that's true, well, that's pretty lame. Not that Canadians are missing out on anything, since Fox news is ridiculous and irresponsible and unethical, but...I digress. The censorship is lame.
--- Quote ---A 30 day American Boycott of Canada would bring down your entire civilization. You are protected from all sides by the US.
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That's absurd. Our Cuban boycot has lasted a little bit more than 30 days and last time I checked Castro is still in power. Canada, obviously, would not want to sever ties with their rich neighbors, but they'd be fine without us. Certainly, with a healthy democracy, freedom of speach and press and a largely capitalistic economic policy they would fare better than Cuba.
America is a superpower that effects the entire world, but you're buying a lot of hogwash and propaganda, my friend. The euro is dominating the dollar, and there is no indication that that will change anytime in the near future. Many of these countries who you think depend on us actually own us (in the same way a bank owns a houseowner until the house is paid off). China and Saudia Arabia are a couple of those countries.
We're also nowhere near as mighty as you like to tell yourself. Look how difficult Iraq is. And this is after a decade of economic sanctions and the country disarming itself. Can you imagine what we would face if we tried even to go into North Korea, let alone China. I'm not even sure we would win a war with China.
I wish people like you would realize that your smugness is based on an extreme faslse sense of security. We HAVE to live in the global community. I wish more people realized how important it is to get along.
I hope Drew doesn't see this post. I give him endless crap for making big wind-bag posts like this.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on August 20, 2004, 01:03:46 pm ---If Bush is such a threat you should take him out by force, you don't have to go across the ocean to do it, like we did with Sadam.
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One problem, putting aside the fact that I would be unsuccessful and would only accomplish my own death or imprisonment, is that I live in a democracy and Bush is the legal president. I'd like to help get him out of office the legal way (by voting him out), but alas, I live in Utah, so I can't help by voting either. Ranting on message boards is about as effective as I can be.
You kind of lost me on the rest of your argument. I don't see how criminalizing abortion would help me raise an army. I don't have any guns, but I live across the street from Ace Hardware and next to a sporting goods store. Three days from now I could have as many guns as I wanted. And who are these children of gays supposed to be protecting me from? Are you okay, Dartful? I think you might have a little foam you need to wipe off your mouth.
fredster:
shmokes,
I stand by what I said. It must be wonderful to be in College. I'm glad you like it.
Voter turnout.
Voter turnout has nothing to do with anything.
Being Critical:
The US has the right to be critical of anything the same way Canadians and other countries have a right to be critical of us. We are a superpower, and we act that way.
Healthcare:
How do you know the Canadian health system is better than ours? Back that up. It's an opinion, not a fact. There problems with any system. At least we can find a doctor if we need one.
Abortion:
As far as "lumping you in" - I said some of us, not all of us. There is the side that says this is murder in any eyes. You should try and see the other side to that argument. It's a big issue. Just because it can't be banned doesn't mean anything to the moral aspect of it. It doesn't make it right in everybody's eyes.
Same thing about Smoking.
Boycott:
No, it's not. The comparison between Cuba and Canada is absurd. Cuba was supported by Russia. I wouldn't say that their quality of life has improved from the time Castro took control would you? If it was so nice, then I don't suppose they'd be on boats to FLA would they?
As far as Hogwash and propganda I'm sorry, but I have served my country in the Army, I have paid taxes and voted in every election there is. I think that we are the leader of not only the free world, but the entire world. And I thank God it's us and not France. If you think otherwise, sorry. I think that's propoganda.
I think in fact you have fallen prey to those who would undermine the way of life in the US. It is dividing our culture and destroying our core values. Look at Canada, they can't even figure out what Language to speak. They are taxed to the point they want to migrate to the US to escape it.
Gun Control:
Only the criminals have guns in Canada. The law abiding citizens had to give theirs up. I don't see where it will help us.
Censorship:
Yep, there are other media outlets Banned in Canada. As far as Fox, I have to support them over any other news outlet. I think NPR should be shut down myself. I don't think that's censorship, I think that's business.
Global Community:
When did we ever get along? The US is the world's policeman because nobody else has the fiber to do something about horrendous situations.
We have freed France, Germany, brought down the Wall, and have established democracy all over this planet.
More people are free because of the USA then all the others put together.
If the Global community is so valuable to the peace and sanctitty of life, then where are they in the Sudan where thousands of people are dying right now??
What cause is worth fighting for? Just the ones you think are important?
Dartful Dodger:
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--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on August 20, 2004, 01:03:46 pm ---If Bush is such a threat you should take him out by force, you don't have to go across the ocean to do it, like we did with Sadam.
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I live in Utah, so I can't help by voting either.
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Sorry by your lack of knowlededge of Americans rights, I thought you were a Canadian.
--- Quote from: shmokes on August 20, 2004, 01:40:20 pm ---
They're barred from having handguns and assault weapons. Canadians hunt more than Americans. We also bar many dangerous weapons. We can't buy bazookas, grenades, m-16s, rocket launchers, flame throwers, etc. So their line is in a slightly different place than us. We both have Gun Control.
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You CAN buy an M-16 in some states, UTAH is one of those states.
What is an assault weapon?
Do you believe a hand gun is the same as a bazooka?
Stop getting your facts from Bowling for Columbine.
You live in one of the truly free states, if you don't like it move to France.