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--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on July 06, 2004, 07:21:07 pm ---At risk of starting a flame war here, what alternatives have you personally tested?

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No offense taken.  

For me its much like the difference between playing a 4 way vs 8 way joystick on 4 way games.  You can play with the 8 way joystick but the 4 way is a little better.  It was like night and day when I went from my 8 ways (I have competitions and supers) to the rotated 4 way.  Similarly using the straight mounted 4 ways at an angle was a poor solution.

I don't have a T-stick, but if it has a square diagonal restrictor that defines the corners well I can see where the feel of the stick might be similar to the rotated 4 way.  The big advantage of the rotated 4 way is that you can very easily find all four diagonal directions due to the diamond restrictor plate.  This can be difficult with many of the other 8 way joysticks you mentioned that either have round or poorly defined corners.

NoOne=NBA=:

That would explain it then.
The T-stik has a really small restrictor that has really bad corners to those who don't like them, in addition to its short throw.
All the Happs sticks feel really loose and sloppy by comparison.

Another stick I've got that makes a really good rotated 4-way is one of these.
They say MCA AUSTRALIA on them, which I'm assuming is the name of the company that makes them.
I picked one up on a whim when I was buying a bunch of other stuff from that seller, mostly because someone else here asked about it, and I didn't know whether to recommend it.

The switches on it are the lever type, like the Super; but it uses a rubber centering grommet, and has the hard corners like the T-stik.
The throw on them is a little longer than the T-stik, but definitely shorter than the Happs.
I don't have that one mounted, so it's a little hard to actually measure; but it's right in the range of the Wico 4-way and Pacman sticks.

The one thing I will give the rotated Wico vs. the T-stik is that the stick is a little easier to move on the Wico.
I tend to move the sticks with alot of force though, so the shorter throw makes a bigger difference to me than the resistance of the stick.

Kremmit:


--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on July 06, 2004, 10:42:54 pm ---Another stick I've got that makes a really good rotated 4-way is one of these.
They say MCA AUSTRALIA on them, which I'm assuming is the name of the company that makes them.
I picked one up on a whim when I was buying a bunch of other stuff from that seller, mostly because someone else here asked about it, and I didn't know whether to recommend it.

The switches on it are the lever type, like the Super; but it uses a rubber centering grommet, and has the hard corners like the T-stik.
The throw on them is a little longer than the T-stik, but definitely shorter than the Happs.
I don't have that one mounted, so it's a little hard to actually measure; but it's right in the range of the Wico 4-way and Pacman sticks.
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I just got 4 of those "MCA Australia" sticks in a box of parts.  3 are just like the one pictured in the auction; the 4th one has a matching but taller handle.  I'm not using 'em, so if anybody wants to buy/trade - they are available.

RandyT:

Anyone who really likes games that use diagonals should look at an OMNI-Stick in 8-way mode as well.  The throw is short enough to be very responsive and you know exactly when you are in a corner.  You also get good, positive diagonal switching due to the way the actuator is designed (no metal leafs on the switches which could  cause variations if improperly adjusted)

As they use a rotating restrictor, there is virtually no difference between using the OMNI-Stik for diagonals or setting it for true 4-way mode and turning the entire stick 45 degrees.

I'd call this a shameless plug, but it's not.  These sticks really are great for this application, as well as others (....ok, maybe that last part was a little shameless :) )

RandyT

Wade:


--- Quote from: Doc- on July 06, 2004, 08:59:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on July 06, 2004, 07:21:07 pm ---At risk of starting a flame war here, what alternatives have you personally tested?

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No offense taken.  

For me its much like the difference between playing a 4 way vs 8 way joystick on 4 way games.  You can play with the 8 way joystick but the 4 way is a little better.  It was like night and day when I went from my 8 ways (I have competitions and supers) to the rotated 4 way.  Similarly using the straight mounted 4 ways at an angle was a poor solution.

I don't have a T-stick, but if it has a square diagonal restrictor that defines the corners well I can see where the feel of the stick might be similar to the rotated 4 way.  The big advantage of the rotated 4 way is that you can very easily find all four diagonal directions due to the diamond restrictor plate.  This can be difficult with many of the other 8 way joysticks you mentioned that either have round or poorly defined corners.

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I agree with No=One on this, I have the J-sticks (similar to the T-Stick Plus) and in 8-way mode and configured properly for a diagonal 4-way game, they have the correct feel.  I have played Qbert recently on an original cab and it played just like it does on my cab.  I also played an original Qbert that had the wrong type of joystick in it (a soft-corner 8 way of some sort) and it was far harder than mine or the correct original.

Wade

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