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x-wing:
Ya know, threads like like this one kinda tick me off.  It's one thing to be upset about someone MAME'ing an operational classic cab (which the BYOAC community is against!!), but to go out of their way to make fun of scratch-built cabs, or projects that they don't have any history on is another.

For all this Josh guy knows, the owner of that Track 'n Field MAME cab rescued it empty out of a dump somewhere.  He bases his entire story off a picture he doesn't know anything about either.  I like the part where he mentions that there isn't glass present in front of the monitor.  Very often when I photograph cabs, I remove the glass to cut down on glare from the camera flash, but I guess he would look at one of my pictures and assume that I didn't have glass at all, or think that I didn't know that it was supposed to be there.

So what is the root behind the ridicule from the RGVAC towards those interested in BYOAC?  Is our hobby any less fulfilling?  How often do you see us making fun of them?  Is this just something they do to make their own lives seem more full or something?
AlanS17:
Personally, I feel that a used cabinet has more charm than a built cabinet. Besides the fact that it's easier, I don't feel like I would be getting the full experience if I wasn't using an original arcade machine. That brings me to a question... can you actually call a built cabinet an "arcade machine"? I don't mean to start any arguements or anything. It's just that it's never seen an arcade, and never will.

Take me for example. My favorite game of all time is Killer Instinct. So when I wanted a machine, I went down and bought (and paid good money) for the very same machine that I learned how to play KI on. The particular machine has real sentimental value to me. I didn't just buy "a" KI machine... I bought "the" KI machine.  It's more that just the game on the inside, it's a real experience to own. It would be like buying your dad's car that you learned to drive with (except it will stay fun alot longer).
D10:

--- Quote from: AlanS17 on August 07, 2002, 04:25:30 pm ---

Take me for example. My favorite game of all time is Killer Instinct. So when I wanted a machine, I went down and bought (and paid good money) for the very same machine that I learned how to play KI on. The particular machine has real sentimental value to me. I didn't just buy "a" KI machine... I bought "the" KI machine.  It's more that just the game on the inside, it's a real experience to own. It would be like buying your dad's car that you learned to drive with (except it will stay fun alot longer).

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Question is, are you going to leave it KI and KI only? If so that's great, but if you plan on converting it to MAME thats what RGVAC is refering to.
Howard_Casto:
Ok I have to say it.  MAMEing cabs is bad, umk.  I'm not saying a p.o.s. cab that' been converted 14 times is gonna be a great loss, I'm just saying if you have a cab in it's orignal form and it's in good shape, don't screw it up.

That includes but is not limited too:

Taking out all of the original parts/controls and selling them off. (If you keep them that's ok.)

Drilling holes to add extra buttons on the control panel or other alterations that can't be reversed.  

Replacing/covering the sideart or overlay art.  

Doing anything that defiles the original image of the cab.  

(And example would be to take a original, almost mint cab with a beautiful yellow color-scheme and dropping a nasty premade cp in it that not only clashes with the color scheme but looks like you dropped a nasty, premade cp in a otherwise georgous cab.)  

AlanS17, regarding your statements about scratch built cabs....

I can see your point sorta, but for mame purpsoes it's definately better to scrathc build.  If you don't you'll most likely have to ruin the control panel or fit too many controls in a space that isn't large enough.  

Also I have seen cabs (I won't name, names because I don't want to insult anyone.)  that, lets say, would never be allowed in an arcade, but you can build an arcade quality cab if you use the proper measurements and stick to arcade mentality.  

If I put a coin door and a new marquee in my cab it would fit right in at the local arcade, and I built it completely from scratch based on a custom design.  
Now some people's woodworking skills are a tad under par, and their cabs, turn out.... well not as good.  

That does not, however give them a justification to mame a pac man becuase they can't build one themselves.  

The moral of this story.  Be kind to cabs.... Remember arcades are virtually dead so there won't be any more cabs in the traditional sense.  It may seem like there are a lot now, but a few years down the road that Street Fighter alpha 3 you thought was too new to be considered a classic will be scarce and those that mamed them are going to feel awfully guilty.  If a cab is orignal and in good shape DON'T mame it!  Do your best to sell it off to someone who appreciates it, or at the very least keep all of the original parts and do non permenant alterations  to mame it.  And if you do go this route please make the new parts match that cab.  A butchered pacman is a sad sight but a pacman with a hotrod stuffed in it is even sader.  Be kind to that cab and get yourself a nice $40  overlay printed that will match the pacman theme.  

Ok end of rant.  

planetjay:
I on the other hand would MAME a Discs Of Tron Environmental if I could afford it and a freind of mine would part with it. Ofcourse I'd put a Chevy 350 in a '76 Porsche 914 if I had one too. ;)

It's not some sacred cow... It's a game. In fact after I moved I'm almost positive that my OmegaRace cockpit will get MAMEd.

However my Turbo cockpit will be exactly duplicated (mirror image) and then sold. I'd MAME it, but the shifter is on the wrong (left) side. Actually I wont really put MAME in that one. That one will likely get a 16:9 TV, Dolby Digital 5.1 and a PSX2 for Grand Turismo 3!

I really think that if you bought it, DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT!
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