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Where to buy "KeyWiz"?
Tiger-Heli:
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This setup is $36 (the X-arcade one is $28 when you include shipping), but has free shipping; you could get all Happ parts with better switches and choice of colors for a couple bucks more.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3294291684&rd=1
NoBonus
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Any good reviews on the Happ "Ultimate" joysticks? Are these any good?
Happ has at least 3 joysticks (ultimate, super, and something else?)... Everyone seems to really like the "super"...
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Thought you already ordered joysticks?
Ultimates are generally the least favorite here.
Supers are good for Capcom fighters and games like Time Pilot that want circular motions.
Competitions and generally preferred for games that need definite diagonals.
While you're ordering the KeyWiz Max, you might check out the Progidy or Omni-Stik. These have a very short throw, but that's better for a lot of games.
FWIW.
Lilwolf:
Oscar has one. Goto his website to read it (www.oscarcontrols.com I believe)
As for my opinion
Supers - smooth circles.. No corners. Great for time pilot / gyrus
Compititions / Ultimates - corners. feel each corner.
Compitions are better then Ultimates... But you wont notice a difference until you play with them next to each other. But I don't believe I have ever heard anyone say that they liked an ultimate over a comp when they where both there...
--- Quote from: Dougmeister on May 27, 2004, 03:41:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: NoBonus on May 27, 2004, 03:02:14 pm ---
This setup is $36 (the X-arcade one is $28 when you include shipping), but has free shipping; you could get all Happ parts with better switches and choice of colors for a couple bucks more.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3294291684&rd=1
NoBonus
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Any good reviews on the Happ "Ultimate" joysticks? Are these any good?
Happ has at least 3 joysticks (ultimate, super, and something else?)... Everyone seems to really like the "super"...
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Chris:
Ultimates are awful. I originally bought some and replaced them within a few months with supers. The diagonals on them are super sensitive, so it's tricky to go straight in any direction. (Play Venture with them and you'll see what I mean.)
Dougmeister:
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on May 27, 2004, 04:01:55 pm ---Thought you already ordered joysticks?
Ultimates are generally the least favorite here.
Supers are good for Capcom fighters and games like Time Pilot that want circular motions.
Competitions and generally preferred for games that need definite diagonals.
While you're ordering the KeyWiz Max, you might check out the Progidy or Omni-Stik. These have a very short throw, but that's better for a lot of games.
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No, haven't ordered yet.
I guess my problem is that I don't have an opinion yet on 4-way vs. 8-way. I really don't think I'll care as long as they are of good quality, a decent price ($35 each is a bit steep for now), and good for the most number of games.
So which auction would be the best way to go?
Competition - $43.95
14 Happ buttons, 2 Happ Competition joysticks, $43.95 (free shipping)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3293406451
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Super - $46.50 (?)
2 Happ Super joysticks ($23.99 + $5 shipping)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3294497809
have to buy buttons separately ($1.25 each)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3294291383
= $29 + (14 x $1.25) = $29 + $17.50 = $46.50 (+ extra shipping?)
I'm not comfortable buying the Prodigy or Omni-Stik, unless you think they are better "all-round" joysticks and comparable quality to the Happs.
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maybe the Happ Super would be the way to go. Where is the actuator located that toggles the 4-way/8-way mode? Is it hard to get to?
Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: Dougmeister on May 28, 2004, 07:51:15 am ---No, haven't ordered yet.
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Good, spend some time researching your options first and you'll be happier when you do order. Decide what games you play, what style of joystick you like, etc, BEFORE you spend the money and then end up swapping stuff down the line for what you really want.
--- Quote ---I guess my problem is that I don't have an opinion yet on 4-way vs. 8-way.
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Well, you can't play fighters or vertical shooters with a true 4-way. And you'll get frustrated playing Pac-Man or Donkey Kong with an 8-way. Depending how the panel is laid out, your options are -
Switchable 4-way/8-way joystick for player 1
8-Way joystick with www.oscarcontrols.com joystick restrictors for player 1
8-Way joystick and separate dedicated 4-way joystick (maybe wired to same inputs).
--- Quote --- I really don't think I'll care as long as they are of good quality, a decent price ($35 each is a bit steep for now),
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Granted $35 is a bit steep. These and the T-Stik Plus (www.ultimarc.com, short throw and even stiffer springs than the Prodigy) are the only "above panel switchable" options. You could get by with a Prodigy for P1 and an Omni-Stik for P2. Or if you don't mind reaching under the panel to switch modes, I recommended the Omni-Stiks, which are a lot less.
--- Quote ---* So then you guys think this auction would be the best way to go?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3293406451
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That auction has a "BuyItNow" price of $43.95. You could order the same stuff from www.therealbobroberts.com for $37.60 ($1.45*12 for pushbuttons, $1.60*2 for start buttons, $8.50*2 for joysticks) and you could get whatever colors you wanted as well. The trick to E-bay is knowing what stuff fetches in the private sector so you don't get ripped off.
--- Quote ---I'm not comfortable buying the Prodigy or Omni-Stik, unless you think they are better "all-round" joysticks and comparable quality to the Happs.
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From what I've read on the boards, they are shorter throw and stiffer springs than the Happs, and at least as good if not better quality. (Most Happs joysticks are Industrias Lorenzo's, BTW, and the Omni-Stik is similar to a Suzo, FWIW). The shorter throw and stiffer springs should translate into quicker motions and greater precision, but without doing a side-by-side, it's hard to compare them, and it would probably be a lot of personal preference anyway.
--- Quote ---* Or maybe the Happ Super would be the way to go. Where is the actuator located that toggles the 4-way/8-way mode? Is it hard to get to?
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Nope, not the way to go - Okay, you get the newbie break here, but - There is no Toggle for the 4-way/8-way mode. The process goes something like this -
1) Remove E-clip holding joystick shaft to base (Hope it doesn't break or go zinging across room, never to be seen again).
2) Flip actuator (hourglass looking piece, right above the E-clip on exploded view)
3) Re-install E-clip and hope it doesn't go zinging across room at this stage either.
If you have easy access to the bottom of your joysticks, it can be done in a couple of minutes, but it's not a simple solution, and I wouldn't recommend it. Besides the fact that Supers in 4-way mode are not true 4-way sticks (you can still hit the diagonals) and don't work well for this.
EDIT: Didn't see your earlier post where you mentioned 2 E-bay auction, but Bob Roberts is still a better deal.