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jerryjanis:

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--- Quote from: Rawker on March 04, 2004, 11:14:34 pm ---what's the percentange of 4 player games that use more then 4 buttons?
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There are only 2 that I know of:
Dungeon Dragon : Tower of Doom
Dungeon Dragon: Shadow over Mystra (title is wrong but it is something like that)
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Those games have only 4 buttons apiece.

This is exactly the type of question that my web page is supposed to answer:

http://jstookey.com/arcade/sortinfo/index.php?num_switches=2&do_search=1&switch0=players&operator0=%3D&switchvalue0=4&boolean0=AND&switch1=buttons&operator1=%3E&switchvalue1=4

You can enter your own critera and make any kind of query you want.  It doesn't look like much, but it's pretty powerful.
paigeoliver:

--- Quote from: Rawker on March 04, 2004, 11:14:34 pm ---what's the percentange of 4 player games that use more then 4 buttons?

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Zero, both the D&D games have 4 buttons, not more than 4.

Also, when going by sort info for that sort of thing you are going to get an extreme amount of bad data. Many driving games are listed as having crazy amounts of buttons due to things like 4-way shifters being counted as 4 buttons all by themselves. Other anomolies are of course the quiz and Mahjong games, and "no joystick" all button games, which often had 5, but can be played with 3 if you use a joystick instead of left-right buttons.

Stargate and Defender both technically have a buttload of buttons, but have 4 or less if you are playing them with an 8-way (they then only have fire, smart bomb, hyperspace, and then Stargate has Inviso). Same for Asteroids, Asteroids Deluxe, and many other similar games.

Basically the only REAL games with more than four buttons are.

Mortal Kombat series.
The expanded Streetfighter series (including Marvel Vs. Capcom, etc).
Time Killers and a few other obscure fighters.

I mean you could TRY to include Mahjong and quiz support, but then you would need 20+ buttons per player, or something else equally rediculous.
Buddabing:

--- Quote from: jerryjanis on March 05, 2004, 01:16:01 am ---
--- Quote from: TalkingOctopus on March 04, 2004, 11:24:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rawker on March 04, 2004, 11:14:34 pm ---what's the percentange of 4 player games that use more then 4 buttons?
--- End quote ---

There are only 2 that I know of:
Dungeon Dragon : Tower of Doom
Dungeon Dragon: Shadow over Mystra (title is wrong but it is something like that)
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Those games have only 4 buttons apiece.

This is exactly the type of question that my web page is supposed to answer:

http://jstookey.com/arcade/sortinfo/index.php?num_switches=2&do_search=1&switch0=players&operator0=%3D&switchvalue0=4&boolean0=AND&switch1=buttons&operator1=%3E&switchvalue1=4

You can enter your own critera and make any kind of query you want.  It doesn't look like much, but it's pretty powerful.

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Nice!

What I personally want to know is what two or more player games are there that are cooperative, ie. players helping each other. There's Space Duel, Ripoff, TMNT, C.O.W. Boys of Moo Mesa (I play that one with my son), but what others?
osiris:
Just some things you might want to think about.

Right now I'm essentially using your layout with the "thumb button"
What I've found its it bassically forces you to set up each game  so the buttons are "right"
mainly the bottom row being

1234 for neogeo games, and

123
456 for capcom fighters.  Kinda a pain... recently I read a discussion supporting a

1234
456    layout which makes TONS of sense, since it requires NO special set up, if i were you I would HIGHLY recomend considering this layout. Infact im considering ripping out my controls and making a new cp  in this pattern.    Just a recomendation.
jerryjanis:

--- Quote from: Buddabing on March 05, 2004, 09:55:32 am ---What I personally want to know is what two or more player games are there that are cooperative, ie. players helping each other. There's Space Duel, Ripoff, TMNT, C.O.W. Boys of Moo Mesa (I play that one with my son), but what others?
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Ha ha...  The only way to figure that out is gonna be to start playing!  Man, there are so many games like that (I bet that a decent percentage of the Mame games fall under that category)...  Double Dragon, the Dungeons & Dragons games, the Simpsons, and if you haven't tried Ninja Baseball Batman then you're seriously missing out on some fun cooperative 4 player action!
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