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| RandyT:
--- Quote from: lilshawn on May 23, 2023, 05:22:46 pm ---I could see in the future an ASIC processor appliance (like the antminer crypto boxes) being used as the main AI processor in the household. an antminer doe anywhere from 3 to 30 terahashes a second of crypto... plenty to get an instant response from pre-trained data... that can continously autotrain itself on the fly in it's "off time" --- End quote --- That's exactly the kind of thing which I believe will be necessary to take the pressure off of the gaming card market. There are companies currently working on specialized AI hardware, but unfortunately, just like with crypto, there will still be a space below the level of that specialized hardware where I feel that the smaller commercial interests, smaller academic institutions and AI enthusiasts will be acting to help keep prices elevated on cards which can be leveraged for AI. At least for a while, until that technology becomes mainstream. |
| fallacy:
I don't really get why graphic cards are still so high. It made perfect sense with the crypto boom. I mean you could pay 3 times as much to a scalper and then through crypto still have the card pay itself off. I would stay away from the 4000 series of cards like the plague. People make it sound like there is some big generation to generation leap and there is not. More than half of the 4000 series is slower than the 3000 series and even worse they don't have any more VRAM than the 3000 series. There are enough cards floating around out there to get a good deal on a 3000 series that's still faster than 4060 through a 4070 Ti. |
| pbj:
If AI is the new crypto does that mean some idiot on this forum is going to invest his life savings in it and tell us how dumb we are? If so, please proceed. It's amusing. |
| RandyT:
--- Quote from: fallacy on May 24, 2023, 01:19:58 pm ---I don't really get why graphic cards are still so high. It made perfect sense with the crypto boom. I mean you could pay 3 times as much to a scalper and then through crypto still have the card pay itself off. I would stay away from the 4000 series of cards like the plague. People make it sound like there is some big generation to generation leap and there is not. More than half of the 4000 series is slower than the 3000 series and even worse they don't have any more VRAM than the 3000 series. --- End quote --- Like I stated, Nividia knows that there is commercial demand for what is likely limited production capacity and they have also been taught that "Billy Streamer" or "Johnny Parentscreditcard" will pay any price for the latest and greatest. I believe that is it in a nutshell. --- Quote ---There are enough cards floating around out there to get a good deal on a 3000 series that's still faster than 4060 through a 4070 Ti. --- End quote --- The only hitch there is that the minimal performance gains of the new cards are causing the last gen to retain more value than they likely would have otherwise. Deals can be had, but it takes some looking. The power requirement is one of the biggest differences, but since under-volting is a thing, most cards can come pretty close to the same power requirements without a performance hit, if done correctly. I also see that AMD just dropped the price on the lower end cards, so they may be starting to make their play. --- Quote from: pbj on May 24, 2023, 05:36:32 pm ---If AI is the new crypto does that mean some idiot on this forum is going to invest his life savings in it and tell us how dumb we are? --- End quote --- AI is moving so fast, the water never stops churning. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, but they seem to be doing the smart thing and waiting it out a bit. Their AI is real-world application (things with physical interaction) so they are waiting in the wings for that part to be more widely implemented. On the data side, things could change so quickly, it could render 6 month deployed tech to become obsolete. I wouldn't put a nickel into it until the dust starts to clear, and if I did, it would be invested in companies which specialize in tailoring models to specific applications, and/or those who are nimble enough to transition easily should the current tech get turned on it's head (<== not financial advice!) |
| schmerzkaufen:
Me when I hear about AI: But yeah agreed with your logic, as long as there's markets with enough buyers to pay more than before, why would they bother with keeping volumes high and margins low ? Successive and combined global crises sort of reminded capitalism of the good old times when it had only like less than 10% or 5% of ppl rich-enough to consume by themselves everything that's beyond minimum-vital, without much consideration for whatever things cost. Mass-consumption model was only an option, not a compulsory requirement to a working capitalist economy and society. So IMO GPU prices - like all things tech and most products that aren't bottom-end garbage - aren't going down any significantly anymore, or maybe in a rather distant future if - I don't know by what manner of miracles - the global economic health and distribution of wealth improves to compare again to post wwII-to-early21c standards. GPUs, good ones, have become luxury-tier (not high luxury but still). |
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